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		<title>Comment on The third (and probably last) trans post of my life by tick tack</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2012/01/16/the-third-and-probably-last-trans-post-of-my-life/#comment-21197</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tick tack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 04:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Is there anyone on Earth who truly feels “race dysphoria”? I doubt it, but if you have an article about it, I will read it and get back to you. My first instinct is that it sounds like a load of shit. Also, people can change their sex, they can and do all the time. If you listen to transwomen talk, you’ll probably find out what “feeling like a woman” is. Although it can mean different things to everyone, and it can be really hard to explain, it is a real phenomenon. For example, do you believe yourself to be a woman or a man (or neither one)? Why? I believe myself to be a woman, and if I had a penis, I can tell you I wouldn’t be at all happy about it.&quot; 

How the hell is a white person who claims he is black because he knows or believes he is black different from a male who knows or believes he is a women.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is there anyone on Earth who truly feels “race dysphoria”? I doubt it, but if you have an article about it, I will read it and get back to you. My first instinct is that it sounds like a load of shit. Also, people can change their sex, they can and do all the time. If you listen to transwomen talk, you’ll probably find out what “feeling like a woman” is. Although it can mean different things to everyone, and it can be really hard to explain, it is a real phenomenon. For example, do you believe yourself to be a woman or a man (or neither one)? Why? I believe myself to be a woman, and if I had a penis, I can tell you I wouldn’t be at all happy about it.&#8221; </p>
<p>How the hell is a white person who claims he is black because he knows or believes he is black different from a male who knows or believes he is a women.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The third (and probably last) trans post of my life by Blamer Bushfire</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2012/01/16/the-third-and-probably-last-trans-post-of-my-life/#comment-21196</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blamer Bushfire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 03:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, yes, Deena, I stated I couldn&#039;t define it, so that didn&#039;t take much deductive skill on your part.  

You think I wasn&#039;t born female?  Interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, yes, Deena, I stated I couldn&#8217;t define it, so that didn&#8217;t take much deductive skill on your part.  </p>
<p>You think I wasn&#8217;t born female?  Interesting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If women were human, no one would read books about serial killers. by Bore</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2012/01/28/if-women-were-human-no-one-would-read-books-about-serial-killers/#comment-21194</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 00:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess a lot of the attention Gacy got came from him dressing up as a clown.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess a lot of the attention Gacy got came from him dressing up as a clown.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The third (and probably last) trans post of my life by Deena</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 23:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK Blamer I think I&#039;ve got the picture here. Tell me if I&#039;m wrong. You can&#039;t define it and you weren&#039;t born female.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Blamer I think I&#8217;ve got the picture here. Tell me if I&#8217;m wrong. You can&#8217;t define it and you weren&#8217;t born female.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The third (and probably last) trans post of my life by Blamer Bushfire</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2012/01/16/the-third-and-probably-last-trans-post-of-my-life/#comment-21192</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blamer Bushfire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 21:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;BTW, Bushfire, I’m curious how you’d define “woman”, based on the links you posted. What we know from what you’ve posted is that the the definition is not: 
1. a person with female sexual organs
2. a person assigned female at birth
3. a person with “feminine” personality traits and/or interests and/or mannerisms 
So, the big question is…what the hell is a “woman” then? I’m really curious now.
Just remember, you can’t say “a person who feels like a woman”, cos that’s what’s called a circular definition, ie. crap. &lt;/i&gt;


I&#039;ve been wondering how to define &quot;woman&quot; for a while now.  I tried to do it once before when another transphobic radfem demanded I define it.  I read some books about gender at that time but never came to a satisfactory conclusion.  The best I can do right now is to define the terms &quot;man&quot; and &quot;woman&quot; as social categories that contain some truth and some fiction.  I say social categories because our culture has a collective idea of what a &quot;woman&quot; is and of what a &quot;man&quot; is and people are constantly trying to fit into these categories, and make sure that other people fit into these categories, often violently.  In this way, &quot;woman&quot; is a social category, hence De Beauvoir&#039;s quote that we must become women.  There is some truth to our social categories; for instance, that women usually have certain body parts.  However, not all women have breasts; some remain flat-chested*, and some have their breasts removed due to cancer, and they are still women.  Women usually have a uterus and a vagina, but a woman might have a hysterectomy and therefore no longer have the usual reproductive organs; this wouldn&#039;t mean she can&#039;t call herself a woman.  Women usually have XX chromosomes, but not always; for example, women with Turner&#039;s syndrome may have only one, and women with trisomy X have three. Woman actually have different biological traits.  All we can say for sure is there is a high correlation between  people in the category &quot;woman&quot; and certain biological traits.  If the presense of, for example, a uterus, was a deliminating factor marking who is and isn&#039;t a woman, then a woman could have hers removed and no longer be considered a woman.  Why do we still consider her one?  Because she has a female gender identity, and this doesn&#039;t change based on one&#039;s body parts.  

The sex you are assigned at birth is not always accurate.   There are reports of doctors assigning the wrong sex to an infant with ambiguous genitals and the person having to later declare themselves as a different sex that the one their parents raised them as. 

There&#039;s no such thing as a feminine personality trait or mannerism; these are cultural constructions.  Transwomen do have to learn and perform these cultural markers because without them they might not &quot;pass&quot; and would then be subject to violence.  We&#039;re all oppressed by culturally constructed gender roles.  

*this is not to imply that small breasts cannot produce milk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>BTW, Bushfire, I’m curious how you’d define “woman”, based on the links you posted. What we know from what you’ve posted is that the the definition is not:<br />
1. a person with female sexual organs<br />
2. a person assigned female at birth<br />
3. a person with “feminine” personality traits and/or interests and/or mannerisms<br />
So, the big question is…what the hell is a “woman” then? I’m really curious now.<br />
Just remember, you can’t say “a person who feels like a woman”, cos that’s what’s called a circular definition, ie. crap. </i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been wondering how to define &#8220;woman&#8221; for a while now.  I tried to do it once before when another transphobic radfem demanded I define it.  I read some books about gender at that time but never came to a satisfactory conclusion.  The best I can do right now is to define the terms &#8220;man&#8221; and &#8220;woman&#8221; as social categories that contain some truth and some fiction.  I say social categories because our culture has a collective idea of what a &#8220;woman&#8221; is and of what a &#8220;man&#8221; is and people are constantly trying to fit into these categories, and make sure that other people fit into these categories, often violently.  In this way, &#8220;woman&#8221; is a social category, hence De Beauvoir&#8217;s quote that we must become women.  There is some truth to our social categories; for instance, that women usually have certain body parts.  However, not all women have breasts; some remain flat-chested*, and some have their breasts removed due to cancer, and they are still women.  Women usually have a uterus and a vagina, but a woman might have a hysterectomy and therefore no longer have the usual reproductive organs; this wouldn&#8217;t mean she can&#8217;t call herself a woman.  Women usually have XX chromosomes, but not always; for example, women with Turner&#8217;s syndrome may have only one, and women with trisomy X have three. Woman actually have different biological traits.  All we can say for sure is there is a high correlation between  people in the category &#8220;woman&#8221; and certain biological traits.  If the presense of, for example, a uterus, was a deliminating factor marking who is and isn&#8217;t a woman, then a woman could have hers removed and no longer be considered a woman.  Why do we still consider her one?  Because she has a female gender identity, and this doesn&#8217;t change based on one&#8217;s body parts.  </p>
<p>The sex you are assigned at birth is not always accurate.   There are reports of doctors assigning the wrong sex to an infant with ambiguous genitals and the person having to later declare themselves as a different sex that the one their parents raised them as. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no such thing as a feminine personality trait or mannerism; these are cultural constructions.  Transwomen do have to learn and perform these cultural markers because without them they might not &#8220;pass&#8221; and would then be subject to violence.  We&#8217;re all oppressed by culturally constructed gender roles.  </p>
<p>*this is not to imply that small breasts cannot produce milk.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The third (and probably last) trans post of my life by Blamer Bushfire</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2012/01/16/the-third-and-probably-last-trans-post-of-my-life/#comment-21191</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blamer Bushfire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 20:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Bushfire, you believe gender is real, and is an important and defining part of a person. In my opinion, you and those who share your opinion, are putting a harmful and bullshit concept on a pedestal. &lt;/i&gt;

The idea that gender identity is real is not harmful or bullshit, it&#039;s a morally neutral part of human beings that is well documented.  Maybe you should read something other than transphobic blogs?

 &lt;i&gt;That is gender dysphoria and I’ve already written what I think about it. Scroll up and you’ll see my comment about it. In short: I believe it exists, but is mental illness, just like not being able to live with your own healthy limbs; operation should not be the first step of treatment, and maybe shouldn’t even be used at all, &lt;/i&gt;

People don&#039;t just wake up one morning, realize they have gender dysphoria, and schedule surgery for that afternoon.  

&lt;i&gt;Other than the abovementioned illness, it’s a hilarious bit of bullshit that a man could “feel like woman”. As for this: 
“If you listen to transwomen talk, you’ll probably find out what “feeling like a woman” is.
Ah, the menz will put us womenfolk straight. They know what being a woman is. Well, here they are talking about it, and all I can say is… LMFAO!! &lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t think men feel like women.  Men feel like men; women feel like women; humans feel like humans.  Similarly, &quot;the menz&quot; cannot know what transwomen feel like.


&lt;i&gt;The blogs gendertrender and twanzphobic demolish this argument more efficiently than I ever could, so I’ll just direct you over there: &lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m not going to read your transphobic blogs.  I have glanced in horror at &quot;twanzphobic since forever&quot; and felt compelled to write a blog post just to point out that &lt;i&gt;actually, hating people is wrong&lt;/i&gt;, and that hating a group of people is not at all compatible with a movement that is supposed to be anti-oppression.


&lt;i&gt;Also, just reading that thread at the trans forum is hurting me, let alone the harmful effects the entire trans movement is having on society. How anyone can read that crap and then say transgenderism doesn’t harm anyone or anything, is beyond me. Go on, read it, and comment, if you dare. &lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;re hurt by a thread on a blog?  Really?  I did click over there, and someone has compiled a list of quotes and from them generalized that all transwomen are invested in patriarchal thinking about women.  I wouldn&#039;t be surprised at all if there were transwomen invested in patriarchy, because people in general are invested in patriarchy, so why wouldn&#039;t transwomen be?  I could also take some quotes from conservative women and generalize that all women are stupid, but I&#039;m not gonna do that, because I&#039;m not into useless nonsense. 

&lt;i&gt;I don’t have to “believe” myself a woman or “wish upon a star” I was a woman, since I have the sexual organs (not just an inverted-penis fuckhole) and a lifetime of living as one (with the pain and hardship that brings in our society) to prove it. &lt;/i&gt;

It is obvious from your words that you self-identify as a woman.  That is your gender identity.  I quote from &lt;a href=&quot;http://ifge.org/books/true_selves.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;True Selves by Mildred L. Brown and Chloe Ann Rounsley&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Our own sense of being male or female is something that most of us take for granted.  We don&#039;t wonder about it; we don&#039;t even consider it.  If we have a female body, we feel female and think of ourselves as female.  But this is not the case for transsexuals.  Transsexuals don&#039;t take anything about their minds or bodies for granted.  Something that the rest of us pay no attention to at all dominates their lives.  They have a mind/body conflict; they self-identify as one sex but have the body of the opposite sex.  Because this incongruity causes considerable confusion, frustration and anguish, at some point most transsexuals feel compelled to do something to resolve their conflict so as to be able to live full and satisfying lives.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

You can pretend gender identity doesn&#039;t exist, but you have one, and so does everyone else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Bushfire, you believe gender is real, and is an important and defining part of a person. In my opinion, you and those who share your opinion, are putting a harmful and bullshit concept on a pedestal. </i></p>
<p>The idea that gender identity is real is not harmful or bullshit, it&#8217;s a morally neutral part of human beings that is well documented.  Maybe you should read something other than transphobic blogs?</p>
<p> <i>That is gender dysphoria and I’ve already written what I think about it. Scroll up and you’ll see my comment about it. In short: I believe it exists, but is mental illness, just like not being able to live with your own healthy limbs; operation should not be the first step of treatment, and maybe shouldn’t even be used at all, </i></p>
<p>People don&#8217;t just wake up one morning, realize they have gender dysphoria, and schedule surgery for that afternoon.  </p>
<p><i>Other than the abovementioned illness, it’s a hilarious bit of bullshit that a man could “feel like woman”. As for this:<br />
“If you listen to transwomen talk, you’ll probably find out what “feeling like a woman” is.<br />
Ah, the menz will put us womenfolk straight. They know what being a woman is. Well, here they are talking about it, and all I can say is… LMFAO!! </i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think men feel like women.  Men feel like men; women feel like women; humans feel like humans.  Similarly, &#8220;the menz&#8221; cannot know what transwomen feel like.</p>
<p><i>The blogs gendertrender and twanzphobic demolish this argument more efficiently than I ever could, so I’ll just direct you over there: </i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to read your transphobic blogs.  I have glanced in horror at &#8220;twanzphobic since forever&#8221; and felt compelled to write a blog post just to point out that <i>actually, hating people is wrong</i>, and that hating a group of people is not at all compatible with a movement that is supposed to be anti-oppression.</p>
<p><i>Also, just reading that thread at the trans forum is hurting me, let alone the harmful effects the entire trans movement is having on society. How anyone can read that crap and then say transgenderism doesn’t harm anyone or anything, is beyond me. Go on, read it, and comment, if you dare. </i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re hurt by a thread on a blog?  Really?  I did click over there, and someone has compiled a list of quotes and from them generalized that all transwomen are invested in patriarchal thinking about women.  I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised at all if there were transwomen invested in patriarchy, because people in general are invested in patriarchy, so why wouldn&#8217;t transwomen be?  I could also take some quotes from conservative women and generalize that all women are stupid, but I&#8217;m not gonna do that, because I&#8217;m not into useless nonsense. </p>
<p><i>I don’t have to “believe” myself a woman or “wish upon a star” I was a woman, since I have the sexual organs (not just an inverted-penis fuckhole) and a lifetime of living as one (with the pain and hardship that brings in our society) to prove it. </i></p>
<p>It is obvious from your words that you self-identify as a woman.  That is your gender identity.  I quote from <a href="http://ifge.org/books/true_selves.htm" rel="nofollow">True Selves by Mildred L. Brown and Chloe Ann Rounsley</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Our own sense of being male or female is something that most of us take for granted.  We don&#8217;t wonder about it; we don&#8217;t even consider it.  If we have a female body, we feel female and think of ourselves as female.  But this is not the case for transsexuals.  Transsexuals don&#8217;t take anything about their minds or bodies for granted.  Something that the rest of us pay no attention to at all dominates their lives.  They have a mind/body conflict; they self-identify as one sex but have the body of the opposite sex.  Because this incongruity causes considerable confusion, frustration and anguish, at some point most transsexuals feel compelled to do something to resolve their conflict so as to be able to live full and satisfying lives.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>You can pretend gender identity doesn&#8217;t exist, but you have one, and so does everyone else.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If women were human, no one would read books about serial killers. by lizor</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 14:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;people particularly love reading about bad things happening to women. Because everyone hates women.&quot;

And also because bad things happening to women is sexxay. In fact, it&#039;s not just sexxay, it IS sex.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;people particularly love reading about bad things happening to women. Because everyone hates women.&#8221;</p>
<p>And also because bad things happening to women is sexxay. In fact, it&#8217;s not just sexxay, it IS sex.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If women were human, no one would read books about serial killers. by Nine Deuce</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nine Deuce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 08:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, but people particularly love reading about bad things happening to women. Because everyone hates women.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but people particularly love reading about bad things happening to women. Because everyone hates women.</p>
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		<title>Comment on There is more than one dick implicated in the Weiner scandal. by Bore</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2011/06/11/there-is-more-than-one-dick-implicated-in-the-weiner-scandal/#comment-21183</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 00:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Anthony Weiner, beloved by the kinds of people who have yet to realize that Bill Maher isn’t leading a revolution,&quot;

LOL, oh my...That&#039;s the most scathing put-down I&#039;ve read all week.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anthony Weiner, beloved by the kinds of people who have yet to realize that Bill Maher isn’t leading a revolution,&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL, oh my&#8230;That&#8217;s the most scathing put-down I&#8217;ve read all week.</p>
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		<title>Comment on In which Nine Deuce uses the word &#8220;trans&#8221; a second time by Bore</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2012/01/12/in-which-nine-deuce-uses-the-word-trans-a-second-time/#comment-21182</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 00:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I’m guessing, however, that it doesn’t, and I’m thus not going to tell trans people how their minds work, nor am I going to make the outrageous and dehumanizing claim that they must be mentally ill. (Let us please not forget the history of the use of psychiatric authority as a justification for the marginalization, institutionalization, sterilization, rape, and murder of women.)&quot;

I really wish you weren&#039;t the first person I&#039;ve seen point this out explicitly. :(

Awesome post, as is the first one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m guessing, however, that it doesn’t, and I’m thus not going to tell trans people how their minds work, nor am I going to make the outrageous and dehumanizing claim that they must be mentally ill. (Let us please not forget the history of the use of psychiatric authority as a justification for the marginalization, institutionalization, sterilization, rape, and murder of women.)&#8221;</p>
<p>I really wish you weren&#8217;t the first person I&#8217;ve seen point this out explicitly. :(</p>
<p>Awesome post, as is the first one.</p>
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