Who is this bitch?

I basically go off, dude. People all over the internet call me rad. They call me fem, too, but I’m not all that fem. I mean, I’m female and I have long hair and shit, but that’s just because I’m into Black Sabbath. I don’t have any skirts, high heels, thongs, or lipstick or anything, and I often worry people with my decidely un-fem behavior. I’m basically a “man” trapped in a woman’s body. What I mean is that, like a person with a penis, I act like a human being and expect other people to treat me like one even though I have a vagina. That doesn’t mean anyone ever meets my expectations, but I still have them. It’s too bad so few people are as smart as I am or they’d have all figured out by now that genitalia oughtta not make a fuck (read that last bit with a redneck accent) and that we should all get to be human beings instead of “women” or “men.” It’s really too bad.

So, I started this blog.

This is the page where everyone finds out who Nine Deuce is, right? Like what I’m into, whether I’m gay or straight, old or young, hot or not, cool or weak sauce, black or brown or red or yellow or white (because those are the only five options), fat or skinny, tall or short, Scientologist or Wiccan? Right, here goes:

  • I like poetry slams, chili cookoffs, Renaissance faires, bluegrass festivals, tailgate parties, fun runs, and Bible camps.
  • I also like spinning in circles, drawing pictures of horses, braiding hair, picking flowers, and loudly discussing my stock trading activities at tapas bars.
  • I can often be seen in Central Park on a unicycle selling cotton candy or playing with my hackey sack and devil sticks.
  • When I’m not doing that I’m working as a roadie for Blues Traveler and getting tattoos in Chinese that I can’t read but that I’m sure say shit like “love” and “courage.”
  • My car has several bumper stickers on it. They read, “All gave some, some gave all,” and “These colors don’t run,” and “Never forget,” and “It’s a choice, not a child,” and “Honk if you’re gay,” and “Show us your tits!”
  • My favorite movie is Talladega Nights, but I can also appreciate Will Ferrell’s early work.
  • I carry a ghetto blaster with me everywhere I go, and I alternate between “Centerfield” by John Fogerty and “Boogie in Your Butt” by Eddie Murphy.
  • I’ve got 9 kids from 10 dads (none of whom are white), 1 transgendered Chinchilla, and a giant Belgian rabbit who only eats carnitas.
  • I try to have an abortion at least once every ten weeks. I find it’s good for my complexion.

134 Comments

  • You need to address your anger and lighten up a bit, as serious as you think these issues are most of us just do our best to be good human beings and actually get on with life.
    Cheers

  • I think it’s pretty easy for a dude to tell someone to lighten up. As soon as you aren’t part of the group that runs everything, go ahead and start telling people to stop worrying about being shat on. As soon as the porn industry is dominated by images of men being choked and called derogatory names, tell me to stop being angry. As soon as men start getting raped on the same scale women do, and as soon as women start beating their husbands to death, you can come tell me this shit doesn’t matter. As soon as women can walk down the street without assholes harassing them, as soon as women earn equal pay for equal work, as soon as our bodies aren’t used as decoration for advertising and entertainment, tell me I have nothing to be irritated by. As for doing our best to be good human beings, that’s what I’m about here. I’m trying to do something to alleviate some of the ills I see plaguing women in our culture, if only by making one person at a time more aware of the problems that exist. But thanks for the patronizing pedantry.

  • I think it’s pretty easy for a dude to tell someone to lighten up. As soon as you aren’t part of the group that runs everything, go ahead and start telling people to stop worrying about being shat on.

    Your suggestion that there is actually a oppressor/ oppressed relationship between men and women is at best illusory. In any case I’m not saying that you should stop fighting for a better deal for anyone but you are so obviously VERY angry about this and such anger will tear you apart in the long run. so my suggestion that you lighten up is all about strategies for self preservation rather than support for the “evils” that piss you off.

    As soon as the porn industry is dominated by images of men being choked and called derogatory names, tell me to stop being angry.

    The porn industry is here to stay and while I share some of your concerns about some aspects of it just about all of the women who participate in it do so entirely consensually but there are whole sub genres of porn where men are in fact treated exactly as you describe, in both Straight and Gay porn. Every one has their own tastes when it come s to erotica and really this does not have anything to do with gender equality.

    As soon as men start getting raped on the same scale women do, and as soon as women start beating their husbands to death, you can come tell me this shit doesn’t matter.

    I detest rape as much as you obviously do but the relationship between Porn and rape is tenuous at best because, But when it come to Domestic violence I suggest that instead of taking the “all men are rapists line” I suggest that you explore the work of Erin Pizzey some one who has the track record to know what she is talking about.

    As soon as women can walk down the street without assholes harassing them, as soon as women earn equal pay for equal work, as soon as our bodies aren’t used as decoration for advertising and entertainment, tell me I have nothing to be irritated by.

    When the fashion industry (which is dominated, by women and homosexuals) tells women to dress in a sexually provocative manner all of the time men will notice. I don’t live in the US and here in Australia we do have legislation that mandates equal pay for equal work, not perfect but closer to good than in your country. When it comes to advertising there is these days an equality of sorts because I see just as many “himbos” draped half naked in advertising as there are women doing the same . We will never get away from our basic biological imperatives for attractive people get our attention and I suspect that your puritan tendencies here are bound to give you more pain than satisfaction.

    As for doing our best to be good human beings, that’s what I’m about here. I’m trying to do something to alleviate some of the ills I see plaguing women in our culture, if only by making one person at a time more aware of the problems that exist.

    A laudable enough ambition but anger on its own will not achieve much and the toll that it will take on you at a personal level will be higher than you expect. I tend to think that persuasion rather than trying to brow beat anyone into your position is a better way to go because if you want to change the world so that it is better for women you have to find a way to bring men along as well and you won’t do that with an “Us and Them” attitude

    But thanks for the patronizing pedantry.

    I’m not trying to patronise you at all I’m just shooting the breeze in a blog comment about issues I’ve thought a lot about. Now you can keep writing pieces full of piss and vinegar or you can learn from others who have done the anger thing and moved on to a more fruitful duologue about the issues , it is entirely up to you. But ask your self which is going to be the more effective way to effect change, even one person at a time?

    Cheers & best wishes

    Iain Hall

    • Oh, WTF, WTF, WTF. The last thing I expect to see as the first comment on a lovely radfem blog is some asshole spouting off all the same old bullshit (silly me I guess, I read enough blogs to know that women with opinions, to these guys, are like little mechanical moles to be smashed with a hammer as soon as they pop up). I have walked to my car from late-night classes, on campus, in the dark, being followed by a half dozen young men who loudly made sexual comments about my body. I’ve had an old man “flirt” with me by explaining how he’d like to put me in the back of his car and “have a good time with me” while I was essentially trapped there, running a charity table by myself (I could leave, sure, if I was okay with having all the merch + cash stolen…). I’ve heard a man loudly describe to his friends how he’d like to anally rape me while I was shopping for CDs at the local wal-mart. I have had men leer and yell and whistle and generally make me feel like shit. I wear jeans and t-shirts and military jackets and skate shoes and men’s sandals with the squishy insoles built in… So can we as a society stop all this ignorant bullshit about how women who get sexually harassed are “asking for it” by wearing the sexxxy clothes? we could wear burkhas, we could wear bikinis, it wouldn’t matter. The only way a woman can avoid being sexually abused by men in our society is to stop leaving the house or better yet, stop existing. So a big fuck you to Iain Hall and anyone else who thinks he can explain to women how our own lives operate. Heaven forbid that women expect to be treated with respect, whether they’re walking down the street or taking part in online discussions.

      (And yes I know this is about a year and some too late… delete if you like but it was either rant or smash things, and there’s nothing particularly smashable in reach. ^^)

  • I’ve gotta get on a plane, so I’ll respond when I get back. For now I’ll just say that, for someone who has supposedly given more thought to these issues than I have and has come to some kind of superior vantage point from which to discuss them (which is a fucking laugh) and for someone who chooses to adopt such a condescending tone, you sure don’t seem to know much about what you’re talking about (as in statistics, facts, correlations), nor do you seem able to see the big picture behind the concerns you so cavalierly dismiss. For now you may want to read this and this.

  • iain –

    as a man, i am embarrassed to be of the same gender as you, but i can sleep at night because at least i live in a different hemisphere. i suggest that you think a little more about the issues that you have thought a lot about, and then keep thinking a little bit more, until you realize how retarded you are. good luck with that son.

    paternally yours,
    heywood

  • hellonhairylegs

    Anger is a valid weapon of the oppressed. Telling us not to be so angry out of pseudo-concern is akin to telling us that we should put away one of our most potent weapons and play by your rules. Those same rules which have been slanted in your favour for millennia. You control history, culture and the legal system, which means if we play by your rules we already start out at a huge disadvantage.

    If you actually took the effort to open your mind while reading sources such as this (http://www.amptoons.com/blog/the-male-privilege-checklist/) then maybe you’d understand why we’re so angry. You’d also appreciate the fact that incredibly intelligent people write out fantastic arguments and observations in the faint hope that people like you will listen.

    As for the relationship between porn and gender equality and porn I suggest you look at Robert Jensen’s work.

    If you think you see as many himbos as bimbos in advertising then you are noticing the change of the default objectified human. This is similar to the effect two powerful women and one male POC on a committee of a hundred, the committee is seen as representing a range of views and experience, the fact that 97 of the people are white guys doesn’t mean much, because white male men are seen as the default. An exception to the rule doesn’t prove the rule doesn’t exist. I’d also note that in mainstream Western culture the attractive woman is portrayed as weak, with her breasts and arse highlighted. Her nakedness represents vulnerability. The attractive male is portrayed as strong, his muscles highlighted. His nakedness represents his strength.
    I sincerely hope you get over your privilege and truly believe that I, as a woman, deserve to be treated as human.

  • How is telling someone to ’shut up’, especially with no further dialogue ’shooting the breeze’? Notice that you (Nine Deuce) are not meant to make an informed choice to not be angry, but to listen to the man and accept what he says without explanation and without debate.

    Fruitful dialogue? Ha. And they wonder why we’re angry.

  • Alright Iain, I’m back and I’m ready to address your paternalistic attempt to show me the error of my ways, however ill-advised that may be.

    I’m not angry in the sense that you’d like to think I am. It doesn’t keep me up at night, disrupt my life, or cause me physical harm. I’m just aware of what’s going on, that it’s unjust, and that extreme terms are what’s needed to get my point across at times. It’s called style. I’m an excellent writer. What can I say? Still, why do you think it’s your job to tell me how to express myself? Where do you get the idea that you know better than I do what I ought to spend my time on? You sound like those jagoffs I hear prefacing some ridiculously misinformed racist nonsense with, “What the black community needs to do is…” I’d like to think you’re just concerned for my well-being, which would be patronizing and insulting anyway, but that isn’t what’s going on here. What you’re doing is trotting out one of the classic anti-feminist cliches: feminists are angry, which means they’re emotional, and thus irrational. Well, sorry. I’m a rational motherfucker at all times, and my logic is airtight.

    As for the porn industry, I don’t know whether it’s here to stay, but I do know that it’s detrimental to women’s existence and I therefore am going to do whatever I can to bring attention to that fact. I’m aware that some women participate in pornography willingly, as you define that term, but I believe that in a society in which women were treated as if they possessed the same measure of humanity that men do, pornography would not exist (at least in the form that it does today) and women would not be willing to participate in its production. But I don’t agree that such a large portion of the women in porn are willing participants. It’s a completely unregulated industry that has an obscene track record of abusing minors, keeping women in sexual slavery, pumping confused young women full of drugs, and countless other abuses. I fail to see how women make unfettered choices under those conditions. Did you know that as many as 3/4 of women in porn have serious drug problems?

    The idea that pornography has nothing to do with gender equality is a real laugh. I second the idea that you look up some of Robert Jensen’s work, and maybe watch the video I posted under the title “Fuckin’ A.” Robert Jensen uses a fairly clear example several times: let’s say I have to go to ask my boss for a raise, or ask a judge to treat me fairly in court, and that boss or judge has spent the previous evening watching “Filthy Cum Sluts 23.” Do you think he’s going to see me as an equal that deserves the same treatment he would expect for himself? Pornography is anti-woman propaganda; its message is loud and clear and that message is that women are here to be used like toilet paper by any man who should wish to. The message is definitely NOT that women are human beings who deserve respect and equitable treatment, or even the right to decide what to do with their own bodies. The idea that such a message doesn’t contribute to rape is absurd. There is more statistical proof that porn consumption fuels sexual assaults than there is that says otherwise. You can cherry-pick a study or two that says porn doesn’t contribute to rape if you want to, but you’ll just be Exxon telling me that a study exists that proves that global warming is a myth.

    The fact that there exists a sub-genre of porn in which men are dominated by women does not disprove the theory that women are treated like sexbots in porn, because the men in these scenarios are still the ones in control; the woman is performing for the man’s pleasure, not the other way around, as is the case in nearly all porn. As for gay porn, the dynamic is much less psychologically dehumanizing in the vast majority of it, and when it is dehumanizing, it’s usually dehumanizing for the performer assuming the “feminine” role.

    I absolutely never said that all men are rapists, but nice try. You aren’t going to misrepresent my position if you want to argue with me.

    Yes, the fashion industry is dominated by women and gay men, but guess who they’re all trying to impress? Men.

    I am not puritanical. I’m a liberal, which means I think people ought to do whatever they like, provided they aren’t hurting anyone *and* provided that they know what they are doing. There is a huge difference between being puritanical, which would mean I want to tell people to cover up and deny their sexuality, and wishing that women had the ability to express their own sexuality in their own terms instead of in terms of male fantasies.

    You really ought to go back and have a look at your response and think about how patronizing and presumptuous it is. I’ve seen your blog, and I’ve read your posts here, and I am left with a question. I am clearly much, much smarter than you are, and I obviously know a lot more than you do about feminism and gender issues (and history, politics, government, and culture), so where would you get the idea that you could come here and tell me how I ought to spend *my* mental energies?

  • Yes, you are a great writer!
    I am going to keep reading. Thanks

  • Thanks, SAAM. I was kind of kidding about that one. I like to pretend to be more arrogant than I really am at times because it tends to really irritate MRAs who think they’re smarter than all us womenfolk. I’m glad you like the blog!

  • I meant it, as being an aspiring writer, I am reading your stuff, thinking, ‘Shit, I wish I could write like that.”
    I know what you mean about arrogance. I like irritating people!!

  • hellonhairylegs

    I’m with SAAM on your writing ability Ninedeuce.

    As for irritating MRAs and fundies? Just one of the more satisfying perks of the job. -evil laugh’n’smile-

  • Your writing is always on point, 9-2. Take a bow.

  • I SUPPOSE ALL YOU LIBERAL WOMAN HATERS THINK YOU CAN JUST MAKE FUN OF A MAN AND BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE OF YOU THAN IT MAKES YOU THE WINNER. IT’S A FEMINIST BLOG!!!!!! WHO DO YOU THINK READS IT MORE MEN OR WOMEN? OH I FORGOT YOU ARE STUPID LIBERAL WOMEN THAT ARE UPSET BECAUSE A MAN DOES NOT WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM. IAN IS SMARTER THAN YOU ALL AND JUST BECAUSE HE IS ON A FEMINAZI WEBSITE YOU WILL NOT SUCCEED IN TRYING TO MAKE A GOOD MAN LOOK STUPID. IF YOU FEMINAZIS WOULD JUST LEARN TO RELAX THAN EVERYTHING WOULD BE JUST FINE. MAYBE YOU SHOULD SMOKE A JOINT THAT’S RIGHT I’M A LIBERTARIAN AND I SUPPORT DRUG LEGALIZATION BECAUSE MAYBE IF DRUGS WERE LEGAL YOU FEMINAZIS WOULD RELAX AND GET LAID AND FINALLY BE HAPPY. I KNOW THAT YOU ALL MUST BE UGLY TO BE FEMINAZIS BUT I PROMISE YOU CAN FIND AN UGLY MAN TO BE WITH TOO. ALL FEMINAZIS WANT IS TO TELL EVERYONE HOW TO BE AND LIVE THERE LIFE BECAUSE THEY CANNOT GET A GOOD MAN BECAUSE THERE UGLY. PERIOD. IN NASCAR A FEW YEARS AGO THERE WAS A DRIVER NAMED SHAUNA ROBINSON. SHE SUCKED AND DIDN’T MAKE IT IN NASCAR. DO YOU THINK SHE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO PUT OTHER DRIVERS AT RISK JUST BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN? NOW YOU SEE THE STUPIDITY OF BEING A FEMINAZI IF YOU BOTHER TO PAY ATTENTION. I AM GOING TO HAVE MY OWN WEBSITE SOON AND I AM GOING TO DEVOTE IT TO FIGHTING ALL LIBERALS AND YOU FEMINAZIS ARE THE WORST OF ALL OF THEM. I DON’T WANT TO HURT WOMEN. I JUST WANT TO LIVE WITH WOMEN AS GOD INTENDED AND NOT HAVE TO BE TOLD THAT IT IS WRONG TO BE A MAN BY A WOMAN THAT IS TOO LAZY TO SHAVE THERE ARMPITS. I DON’T THINK THAT MAKES ME A BAD PERSON BUT TELLING IAN THAT HE IS STUPID FOR TRYING TO HELP YOU DOES.

  • “buttkicker” doesn’t know where his caps-lock key is…

    btw. i’m a man, a feminist, and have a wonderful sex life. Maybe if you didn’t hate women so much you’d know a thing or two about them.

    How much do I desire to debunk thy assumptions? Let me count the ways. :-)

  • hellonhairylegs

    Buttkicker, doncha know that use evil feminazis are all evil lesbians conspiring to kill all men? I guess instead of 6 million Jews we will kill 6 million rapists, but that just wouldn’t be emough. Maybe 50 million for all the people killed in WWII?

    I know I shouldn’t joke with him guys, given that he’ll probably take it seriously, but c’mon, he used the caps locks key. Thats just so cute!

    Awwwww, poor concewn twoll got his twoes stubbed by the ebil nasty feminazis.

  • Does buttkicker deliberately use there and their the wrong way round? Is it part of the parody?

  • I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE MY CAPS-LOCK KEY IS YOU SPINELESS LIBERAL QUEER BUT I WANT EVERYONE TO HEAR WHAT I SAY THAT’S WHY I TYPE IN ALL CAPITALS. SO YOUR A MAN AND A FEMINAZI. NOW I’VE TRULY HEARD IT ALL. THERE IS NOTHING BUT MANBASHING GOING ON ON THIS WEBSITE AND YOU THINK IT’S SO LIBERAL TO SAY IT’S OK. WELL IT’S NOT OK AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT YOUR SEX LIFE WITH YOUR BOYFRIEND MAY BE WONDERFUL TO YOU BUT ISN’T WONDERFUL AT ALL IN GOD’S EYES. I AM A LIBERTARIAN SO I SUPPORT YOUR RIGHT TO BE GAY BUT I AM A GOOD CHRISTIAN AND I KNOW THAT BEING GAY IS WRONG JUST LIKE HATING MEN ON THE INTERNET. AND BY THE WAY IF YOU ARE GAY YOU SHOULD NOT BE GAY IN PUBLIC BECAUSE PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO WATCH THAT BECAUSE IT IS DISGUSTING JUST LIKE WOMEN THAT DON’T WEAR MAKEUP OR SHAVE THERE LEGS AND ARMPITS OR SHOULD I SAY ALL YOU ANGRY LESBIANS ON THIS WEBSITE EXCEPT FOR IAN WHO IS THE ONLY ONE THAT SEES THE BIG PICTURE. OH AND BY THE WAY I HAVE A VERY LARGE PENIS SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM RELATING TO WOMEN. GEE MAYBE THAT’S THE REASON YOUR A FEMINAZI BECAUSE YOUR DICK IS SO SMALL THAT YOU HAVE TO SUCK UP TO WOMEN TO GET A DATE. YOU LIBERALS REALLY ARE PATHETIC.

  • I’ve decided to allow all MRA-type comments as they prove my points for me.

  • hellonhairylegs

    Hehehehehehehe. Whoever is doing the parody: nice work! You’ve pretty much nailed all the elements of the “Nice Guy” combined with the “Christian-Who-Thinks-He’s-Tolerant”. It’s practically a smorgasbord of idiocy!

    Ooh, please pretend to be the pornsick weasel who believes he has the God given right to orgasm to women’s degradation next. Or make your current concern troll go frothing at the mouth at women having the right to control their bodies as “killing unborn children.” Make sure to add a reference to evolution not existing.

  • OH YOUR SO SMART FOR KNOWING THE DIFFERENCE IN THEIR AND THERE. IF I WAS TALKING YOU WOULDN’T SEE THE LAST TWO LETTERS ANYWAY. I’VE BEEN WORKING AND SUPPORTING MYSELF SINCE I WAS 17 AND HAVE NEVER ASKED FOR A BIG GOVERNMENT HANDOUT BUT I GUESS THAT MAKES ME A BAD PERSON BECAUSE I DON’T CARE ABOUT THE SPELLING OF TWO STUPID WORDS. YEAH I’M A PARODY ALL RIGHT IF YOU THINK YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE IS FUNNY. OH AND THANKS TO THE PERSON WHO SAID WE SHOULD KILL 50 MILLION MEN TO MAKE UP FOR WORLD WAR II. IN CASE YOU DIDN’T KNOW WORLD WAR II WAS NOT ABOUT KILLING PEOPLE FOR NOTHING IT WAS ABOUT DEFENDING OUR FREEDOM AND WAY OF LIFE BUT I GUESS WE SHOULD HAVE JUST THE JAPANESE AND GERMANS INVADE OUR COUNTRY. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE POLITE THING TO DO WHICH IS WHAT YOU SPINELESS LIBERALS THINK IS THE THING WE SHOULD BE DOING ANYWAY. YOU GUYS JUST KEEP LAUGHING AT ME BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY I’LL BE LAUGHING BECAUSE CONSERVATIVE VALUES ARE WHAT THIS COUNTRY IS FOUNDED ON AND ARE WHAT MAKES THIS COUNTRY BEAUTIFUL. SO I KNOW THAT YOU ALL THINK ITS COOL TO BE A SENSITIVE DIFFERENT LIBERAL AND DRIVE A CAR FROM NATIONS THAT TRIED TO KILL US BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY AMERICA WILL ALWAYS BE STRONG. EVEN STRONG ENOUGH TO ALLOW LIBERALS LIKE ALL OF YOU HERE TO TRY AND DESTROY IT. GOD BLESS AMERICA AND EVEN ALL OF YALL. HE STILL LOVES EVEN YALL BUT DON’T THINK THERE WON’T BE A PRICE TO PAY SOMEDAY FOR SAYING YOU SHOULD KILL 50 MILLION PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU HATE MEN BECAUSE YOU ARE A UGLY STUPID FEMINAZI THAT HATES THE WORLD. GOD LOVES ALL BUT EVERYTHING HAS A PRICE. THAT IS SOMETHING YOU ALL SHOULD REMEMBER.

  • hellonhairylegs

    Inability to get a joke or mockery of any kind? Pure parody brilliance. Adding in clichés like “your worst nightmare” and “God loves y’all” is icing on the cake. You know you could do this for a living. You’re very good at playing the narrow-minded, terminally stupid bigot. You’d have the audience in gales of laughter.

    I’m going to let others salute your comic brilliance, because I don’t want to be cluttering our gracious host’s about page. Thanks for the lols.

    I’m off to cavort with my evil lesbian feminist friends. We sacrifice the penises of rapists, MRAs and fundies to our pagan goddess of feminazism. We also worship her with all our lesbian sex which we do in abandoned churches. In addition we give out flyers on how to have abortions and get BC to our heterosexual sisters who have yet to be converted.

    Ta ta mon ami.

    (edit if you want to 9-2, just reiterating how great your blog is.)

  • Clutter away, all y’all. I’m entertained.

  • I’M GLAD THAT I’M SUCH A JOKE TO YOU BECAUSE REALLY I THINK IT’S FUNNY THAT A PERSON SAYING THAT 50 MILLION PEOPLE SHOULD NOT DIE IS THE ONE WHO’S A NARROW MINDED JOKE AND JUST BECAUSE I DON’T LAUGH OR ADDRESS YOUR JOKES DOESN’T MEAN I DON’T GET THEM IT JUST MEANS I DON’T THINK THEY ARE FUNNY. YOUR SARCASM WILL NEVER SCARE ME AND YOU CAN MAKE ALL THE COMMENTS YOU WANT THAT MAKE ME LOOK STUPID BUT I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU HONEY THAT IS WHY YOU LIBERALS WILL ALWAYS LOSE BECAUSE YOU CARE MORE ABOUT LOOKING LIKE YOUR COOL AND SMART THAN YOU DO ABOUT THE COUNTRY THAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO DO IT. YOU’D THINK I WAS REAL FUNNY IF YOU WERE IN CUBA AND YOU COULD BE KILLED FOR MAKING THE WRONG JOKE AND YOU CERTAINLY COULDN’T TALK ABOUT KILLING 50 MILLION PEOPLE WITHOUT BEING JAILED OR KILLED YOURSELF. AND BY THE WAY I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I’M NOT STUPID AND I KNOW YOU DON’T DO ALL OF THE STUFF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT AT THE END LIKE HAVING SEX IN ABANDONED CHURCHES BECAUSE I AM NOT STUPID. I KNOW WHAT SARCASM IS BUT SARCASM WILL NEVER CHANGE THE FACTS. A WOMAN HAS A RIGHT TO LIVE HER LIFE AND SHE IS PROTECTED BY THE SAME LAWS UNLIKE OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE THEY ARE NOT. OH BUT YOU FEMINAZIS DON’T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT YOU JUST LIKE TO TALK ABOUT LETTING THOSE NATIONS COMMIT ACTS OF TERROR AGAINST US. INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT REAL ISSUES LIKE THE WAR ON TERROR YOU TALK ABOUT HOW YOU DO NOT WANT TO WEAR MAKEUP AND YOU DON’T WANT A MAN TO BUY YOUR DINNER FOR YOU EVEN THOUGH YOU WOULD PROBABLY GET MAD IF HE DIDN’T BECAUSE YOU FEMINAZIS ALWAYS WANT TO HAVE THINGS BOTH WAYS. THAT’S WHAT BEING A LIBERAL IS ALL ABOUT. YOU ALWAYS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMETHING ABOUT THE GREAT COUNTRY THAT GIVES YOU THE FREEDOM YOU ABUSE. NOW WHO’S A JOKE.

  • This is the best blog ever, what with NineDeuce’s expert writings and opinions and with Buttkicker69 entertaining, if misspelled, comments!! (He has a very large penis, you know. All is right with the world.)

  • I dunno, it seems like you’re still the joke buttkicker. It amazes me how you can continue the parody so flawlessly without making yourself sick with the idiocy of it all. I mean stating “I’m not stupid” and then disproving that in the next sentence, damn you’re good.

    Damn those church floors are hard; I’ll have bruises for weeks. Sacrificing a few men here and there just isn’t enough anymore for all that evil witch healing power. Any of my feminazi friends know if burning playboy works as a surrogate sacrifice? I’m running low on athame fodder at the moment.

  • Well it means that he can ‘relate’ to women. Which is good. Cause the words aren’t doing it.

    or maybe we’re not women! Yes! The distinction of gender has finally been abolished! The aims of the feminist movement achieved! And all because of a big penis.

  • Also in the interests of historically accurate trolling, can I point out that c.50 million PEOPLE died in WW2- over 2/3 of that number were civilians including men, women and children.

  • hey, “buttkicker” I said I was heterosexual. My wife of ten years would beg to differ with your comments. Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things. Funny to see how rabid the privileged get when their privilege is challenged. Feminists just want their fair share of prosperity us white men take for granted. I don’t see what the big problem is with them getting it.

    So, how do you relate to women with your large penis? Club them with it? Puhleeze. Get an education, man up, and stop crying about the fact that you’re losing a smidgen of your privilege.

    By the way, I’m totally down with killing off some rapists, but I’d rather go after the ideology behind their actions.

  • also, bellyacher69… what’s the problem with man-bashing? It’s not like we’ve done a jam-up job of running the planet exactly. And don’t even get me started on the flaws of “libertarianism” and free-market fundamentalism.

  • Hi, I stumbled onto this website in search of good porn and instead I found a bunch of sexually supressed man-haters (incl. the uber-wuss Syndicalist702). It’s a real crying game why women have so many problems with their beavers. If it’s not a yeast infection it’s menstration, if it’s not menstration it’s stress, etc. etc. etc. Get a real job and then tell me about your problems! I wish for one second I could watch soap operas or wash clothes, but I can’t because I gotta fucking work. I gotta fucking work so you can get your nails done and go shopping at JC Penny’s. Women are nothing but perpetual complainers. You freaks even complain about complaining. Now go back to watching Dallas or whatever-the-fuck-mindless-shit y’all watch and stop complaining for a change.

  • Also, women can’t take the heat that man is subjected to on a daily basis. The only heat women experience is from a skillet.

  • I’m torn. Should I let my comments sections turn into joke-a-thons?

  • Absolutely, so long as it remains funny. How will Buttkicker 69 learn if he isn’t given an opportunity to be a part of the debate? I think he may come around yet.

  • Buttkicker 69

    WELL THANK YOU DAVETAVIUS. I’M SO GLAD THAT YOU THINK I WILL EMBRACE LIBERAL WAYS. WELL GUESS WHAT? THAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN PIGS FLY. I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT I AM NOT A SEXIST. I DO NOT SUPPORT THE VIEWS OF DRAKKAR NOIR. I AM FOR WOMENS RIGHTS I JUST DO NOT THINK PEOPLE SHOULD SAY THAT MEN ARE BAD OR THAT PEOPLE SHOULD DIE BECAUSE OF PAST EVENTS THAT CAN BE INTERPRETED IN DIFFERENT WAYS. TO TAKE ON A FEW THINGS MANBASHING IS ALWAYS BAD BECAUSE MEN ARE FIFTY PERCENT OF THE WORLD SO TO SAY THAT FIFTY PERCENT OF THE WORLD IS BAD BECAUSE THEY HAVE A GENETIC DIFFERENCE IS JUST WRONG. THAT MEANS YOU ARE SAYING THAT HALF OF THE WORLD IS WRONG BECAUSE OF PREJUDICE. I DO NOT THINK PREJUDICE IS RIGHT. I AM A SOUTHERNER AND I HAVE SEEN THE WORLD CHANGE FROM WHERE BLACKS WERE NOT WELCOME IN THE SOUTH TO NOW WHERE THEY ARE MAINLY GOOD MEMBERS OF SOCIETY. I DO NOT THINK WOMEN HAVE TO BE HOUSEWIVES OR IN THE KITCHEN I JUST THINK THEY SHOULD NOT TRY TO SAY MEN ARE BAD JUST BECAUSE MEN ARE IN POWER. THE GRASS IS ALWAYS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE AND THAT IS SOMETHING LIBERALS WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO STUCK UP TO EVEN TRY TO UNDERSTAND. AND TO EVERYONE THAT HAS BEEN MAKING FUN OF ME YOU ALL HAVE TO KNOW THAT I WILL NEVER BACK DOWN AND THAT A SOUTHERN MAN WILL NEVER BE AFRAID OF A LIBERAL. I DO NOT THINK THAT A PERSON SHOULD JUDGE ON SEX OR RACE UNLESS THEY WANT TO BECAUSE OF THERE OWN FREEDOM. I MIGHT THINK THAT A PERSON SHOULD NEVER BE GAY BUT AS A LIBERTARIAN I KNOW THAT FREEDOM IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. I THINK THAT GAYS ARE GROSS BUT I KNOW THAT FREEDOM IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN OPINION AND THAT IS WHY I SAY THAT A WOMAN CAN DO ANYTHING AND A GAY MAN CAN DO ANYTHING BUT TO SAY THAT ALL MEN TRY TO HURT WOMEN IS A LIE AND TO SAY THAT A WOMAN CANNOT LOVE A MAN IS A LIE. I HOPE THAT EVERYONE CAN LEARN FROM ALL THIS AND LEARN NOT TO HATE BECAUSE HATE IS WHAT TRULY BLINDS US. I JUST WISH YOU LIBERALS COULD SEE THIS BUT THERE IS SUCH A THING AS AN EYE FOR AN EYE. I’LL LOVE YALL WHEN YALL LOVE ME. THATS PROBABLY SOMETHING YALL COULD THINK ABOUT FOR AWHILE.

  • drakkar – You call me a wuss, but you name yourself after a cologne? Wow. Civilization has hit a new low. I won’t even entertain your assumption about me, because you don’t know me from Adam. You have assumed just because I don’t buy your it’s-a-man’s-world-women-are-men’s-fuckpuppets mentality that somehow I’m less of a man, or that I’m *chuckle* gay. Talk to me when you’ve done something, okay? Wait, nevermind. That would require thinking on your part, and that’d be too much effort for a guy like yourself. The day you and your ilk can prove that I’m less of a man is the day you’ll actually have a leg to stand on as far as arguments go. But, then – just maybe – I’ll just kick that one out from under you, too. Whatcha think about that? I defend a woman’s right to be considered more that a fuck toy, more than the person who wipes your lazy ass for you, and more than the porn slaves you were searching for. I’m willing to do it with my fists if necessary. Manhood, to me, is about justice, fairness, self-control, and balance – four things traditional manhood gives little more than lip service to. Traditional manhood isn’t manhood at all. It’s the adult form of boyhood. If you can’t hang with the big dogs, stay your little ass on the porch.

    buttwhiner – listen, pal, it’s not about bashing men, okay. It’s about challenging the patriarchy (look that up, if you can put down your beer and pretzels long enough) and about the somehow radical notion that *gasp* women are human and equal to men. I don’t hate you, or anyone. I just hate the way some people think. This every-one-for-themselves mentality should have died with early humans. If you’re offended by fifty percent of our species wanting fair treatment from the other fifty, you’re thinking is the problem, not mine. And what’s all this talk about homosexuality. If I’m not mistaken, you’re the only one that brought that up. I smell a straw man. I also smell insecurity. Who’s emasculated now? Tactics like that are no way to conduct discourse. Tactics like that won’t get you out of a wet paper bag if you have a pair of scissors and a box cutter. Turn down the caps and turn up your hearing aid, even if you don’t like what you hear.

  • drakkar – Sexually suppressed, hunh? I’m not the one who needs porn to get off.

    But I digress.

  • Don’t even get me started about how Eve ruined eternal paradise for ALL mankind. I’m sure reading the Bible and not shaving your legs don’t mesh well. I’m not sexist. I just think if women want an even playing field (which is ok) then accept the harsh conditions that are associated. What about child support? Gross majority of court cases enable the mother full custody without warrant simply because of sex. Income differentials: most state laws empower the mother, regardless of self-made income, rights to a grossly disproportionate share (dare I say) of the husband’s wealth. I guess we’ll have to change all of that too, huh?

  • I would like to know what you all think about the statement: “Men are generally more intelligent than women.” In my opinion, in general, women are far superior to men emotionally and even communicatively. That said, men are generally better problem solvers/logical thinkers. No shit that these generalizations are cliche as fuck, but it does make me wonder if these are indeed true, what’s more important…logic or emotion?

  • syndicalist702 – I never called you gay because you’re not, yet. This new low for civilization that you write about isn’t new. It started during the 1960’s and it’s known as “male hyper-sensitive behavior syndrome”. M.H.S.B. was started by hippies and circus sideshow freaks for comedic entertainment. Fast forward thirty years to the 1990’s and you see the emergence of metro-sexuality, males with lactating glands, and mainstream adoration for R.E.M. You were probably mentally soft and extremely impressionable during these times, which is why you weeped yourself to sleep to the voice of Michael Stipe singing about losing his religion and replacing it with guy-liner or Billy Corgan wimpering about being rats that are inside of cages. So now your a man in his thirties vehemently campaigning for women’s rights as a pathetic attempt to lose your virginity to some confused 18-year old bisexual teen with a penchant for rainy days and 30-year old men that still carry mace on their keychains. That’s what I call a new low for civilization my friend. You’re better off being gay.

    Justice, fairness, self-control, and balance? Are you fucking kidding me? That seriously sounds like a Channel 5 Eyewitness News intro. If you’re going to pick virtues out of a Danielle Steele novel, at least pick the ones that involve something more interesting. You seemed to forget being a man meant having a penis, too. I’d say that was more critical to being a man than…fairness. I’m really sorry if I hurt your feelings; I guess the world really is a vampire.

  • sorry, nine-deuce, I get a little militant here.

    drakkar… you have no idea who I am. Not even the foggiest smidgen of a clue. *shrug* I proudly don’t even fit into a mold you hate. REM played out by the time they made MTV. Oh, and a father of two, trying to lose his virginity? Wow. News to me.

    I have adequate enough manhood that I don’t have to use my strength to hurt other people, unless it’s in my defense. I don’t need pepper spray. That’s what the Marine Corps training and Nevada’s concealed carry laws do for me.

    As for you, non-friend, what is more pathetic: (a) a strong father of two who uses his strength and talents to help others or (b) a whiny loser shithead who needs porn to get off and just can’t resist hating on other people instead of dealing with his own insecurity. That’s allright, though. I ain’t mad at ya. Think what you want to. Just don’t waste your time trying to convince me. Especially seeing as you haven’t the maturity of a twelve year old or the sense god gave a billy goat. With the justice, fairness, self-control, and balance, no. I’m not kidding. These are basic principles of true strength. Something a weakling like you wouldn’t understand. The only threat to what you call “civilization” is your inability to hold on to your tyranny. I’ll have pity on you, soon as the boot tracks clear off of your forehead. Better yet, I won’t do anything to you. I look and act just like any other guy, save the anti-misogynist comments I make to my coworkers. They’re starting to listen, which makes me an infiltrator.

    Before you bullshit yourself, son, at least know your enemy.

  • You guys sure are dudes.

  • Not the same Iain as left the first comment… nothing wrong with a good bit of well placed anger.

    Excellent blog.

    The caps lock commenter has to be on a wind-up.

    Love to know your views on Martin Luther King.

  • Oh no! Not getting paid to have sex! What devious mind could think of a more sadistic torture than offering money to stick a phallus in a vagina and film it so people can masturbate to the sexual imagery and feel good!?

    Only in our ridiculous puritanical society can sex be considered degrading. It’s ironic that you base a part of your feminism on an ancient idea of sex as dirty and evil to insinuate that paying women to be involved in it is some how subjugating them. And then you say the idea of sexual liberation is some kind of male trick to see more skin or something? Ridiculous. Seeing threats and veiled plots against you everywhere is a classic sign of paranoia. You and Joseph Stalin would probably get along. You and he could come up with some kind of crazy hybrid plot where capitalist males are trying to repress the proletariat so that women can’t afford things and have to be involved in prostitution or something.

  • Jack, when men are reduced to their “fuckability” in our society, you can start telling women what they should and shouldn’t see as misogynistic. My premise here, and I know it’s radical, is that women are just as human as men are, and are thus entitled to expect to be treated with dignity.

    I never said sex is dirty or evil. If you had read my post, you would see that I make every argument that sex is an integral and healthy part of life, but that it has been warped and damaged by the reduction of human interaction to female subjugation and male domination. Sex isn’t degrading, but one-sided sex that centers around men’s pleasure and ignores women’s humanity is. If porn were just people having sex, I’d have a much weaker objection to it, but it isn’t. It’s women’s bodies being used by men, it’s women being treated poorly, it’s women’s humanity being ignored. Read my 4th post on porn if you want my opinion on that.

    Pro-porn types always want to paint feminists who are against female exploitation as part of the puritanical set within the religious right. There IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WANTING TO BE TREATED LIKE A HUMAN BEING RATHER THAN A FUCKTOY AND BEING ANTI-SEX. Write that shit down. I’m fucking TIRED of repeating it.

  • [...] Nine Deuce’s explanation of feminist anger gets me all, you know, angry. Of course it quickly spirals downhill with a perfect example of Anti-Feminist Bingo trollatry, then back on track with a short continued discussion of feminist anger, and then “BUTTKICKER 69″ sets shit straight in all caps. He relates to women very well because he has a large penis. [...]

  • Omg, this is fantastic. The buttkicker comments are amazing, I actually laughed out loud! When you think you’ve heard it all… and thanks to Hellon hairylegs- I loved your description on the place of anger. Great, great thread :) Oh, and I’m off to get laid to ease some of my feminazi anger, great suggestion.

  • Now that I’ve taken the time to read through your about, I’ll have to agree that you are, well, pretty angsty. But that’s not necessarily a bad thing. The fact that you have strong feelings for the subject is good; it means you’ll have the necessaries to be able to motivate yourself to do more about it than most people who spend 5 minutes considering their role in a society of gender discrimination and then shrug and say “well that’s the way things have always been I guess some things just never chance.” The complacency and noncommittal admition of apathy to the whole situation on grounds that it’s too difficult to change is what really pisses me off.

  • This blog is frikkin awesome. Angry women rule. I especially like the fact that you’re using the space to invite people to change their minds, rather than explicitly preaching to the converted. There’s lots of awesome blogs for the angry feminists. This one pretty much explains why so many feminists are angry, in accessible and sharp language. You’ve already helped me to clarify some arguments in my own head so thanks.

  • Hey Ms. Deuce– I am writing an anti-pornography essay for my summer Comp II class and am using your porn series as a reference. (Yes, I have a totally kick-ass feminsit professor who is cool with me using blogs as a source!) I’m basically telling you this because I was wondering how you preferred to be referred to. Should I just call you “the blogger known as Nine Deuce” or would you like a real name (or other alias) for my works cited, etc? Feel free to email me, and if the essay doesn’t end up totally sucking, I’ll be posting it on my blog. ;)

  • zombie z – Either way is fine with me. If you’d rather I give you my real name, let me know your e-mail address. Good luck on the paper! I’d really be interested in reading it.

  • http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3168258

    :P I figured you’d appreciate this.

    A rather honest depiction of my generation, sadly.

  • Aoife
    “You’ve already helped me to clarify some arguments in my own head so thanks.”

    Is that a euphemism for “reaffirm my own beliefs”?
    :P

  • This is satire, right? I mean, what else permits the phrases “most retarded of readers” and “I’m an ethical person who cares about people’s feelings” to coexist? The possibility that either is a joke, as you allude to in your PS, doesn’t resolve the paradox; unless it’s your claim to ethics and caring that contains the humor.

  • There is no paradox. I can frequently be found making fun of myself, of other people (by assuming their writing style or by pretending to be insanely arrogant), and of some of my less thoughtful readers. It seems that plenty of people are unable to pick it up at times, but that’s not my problem.

  • Eye: nah, it’s me saying that Nine Deuce’s articulate writing and well-thought out arguments have helped me to frame my own emotions and opinions around particular aspects of gender, feminism and oppression against a backdrop that I can relate to, and wasn’t previously aware of.

    Hey, Eye:

    ““You’ve already helped me to clarify some arguments in my own head so thanks.”

    Is that a euphemism for “reaffirm my own beliefs”? :P”

    Is that a euphemism for ‘I’m a smartarse’? : P

  • I like this blog, and I’ll tell you why.

    It’s not just because it proposes the most sensible and well researched ideas dealing with feminism I’ve ever come across, or because I tend to agree with a large majority of it. Or even because the focus on media is, I think, the best way for people to actually be able to see practical misogyny.

    I like it because of the brilliantly ironic, self aware arrogance. It’s genuine, full frontal confidence, presented with a smirk. And it perfectly shoots down any opposing argument that isn’t meticulously researched and well presented, or laced with a tone of condescension. It’s rare to find in the world of weblogs.

    As a note, after I re-read this post, I realised (oops, gave away that I’m not American) that it’s completely devoid of humour. Which is a shame, as the rest of the page is hilarious and I had to go all serious. Carry on.

  • Hey, Nine Deuce. I thought I’d let you and your readers (who aren’t assholes or BUTTKICKER 69!!!1) know about a new radfem discussion/consciousness-raising forum I created this weekend. You can read more about it at my blog or just go over and join here. It’s in the style of the IBTP forum, but I believe it will work out quite differently than that forum. So, I hope you join!

    Thanks,
    Laceyfish

  • I seriously love, love, LOVE this page. I agree with probably 80 to 90 percent of what’s stated here, if not more.

    I wanted to comment on the modesty thing, though: it depends on the reasons stated for encouraging modesty. I am not sure I would veil myself at this point; it’s just too damn inconvenient. But it’s also possible to see clothing as a privacy issue. I mean, if I don’t want some random strange guy grabbin’ mah girls, why would I want to show them to him either, even just the tops of them or what they’re shaped like? It’s not as much of a concern for me as it used to be because I don’t live up to patriarchal standards on boob beauty these days. (Which is interesting in light of the fact that many cultures/religions calling for feminine modesty don’t require it as stringently in older women, who tend to also be post-childbearing.) But I don’t understand women who get all bent out of shape when some guy hollers at them but *at the same time* want to walk around practically naked–if he’s a creep, why do you want him *looking* at you? It’s their right if it’s what they want, it just doesn’t make any sense to me.

    As for socio-political movements, you ought to check out the human rewilding movement. I haven’t gotten totally immersed in it yet, but so far I have been encouraged at the way even the male bloggers talk about women’s issues as though they are just an everyday part of life. I don’t mean, “hey, jump into this movement, it’s TOTALLY THERE MAN!!”, but seriously, have a look at what they have to say. It’s pretty amazing. Jared Diamond isn’t a blogger but has inspired rewilders through his essays and books, and he talks about how the evidence points to forager cultures being gender-egalitarian and how the advent of agriculture led to women being treated like beasts of burden. I want to read Daniel Quinn’s stuff too. If you just want to see blogs, the Anthropik Network (anthropik.com, I think?) and Urban Scout (urbanscout.org) are decent places to start.

  • But I don’t understand women who get all bent out of shape when some guy hollers at them but *at the same time* want to walk around practically naked — if he’s a creep, why do you want him *looking* at you? It’s their right if it’s what they want, it just doesn’t make any sense to me.

    Dana, the problem is that men act like they’re entitled to critique women’s bodies no matter what women wear or don’t wear. Women who “walk around practically naked” have nothing more or less to fear from the male gaze than women who wear veils. Keep the blame where it belongs, on patriarchy and men, not on women.

  • Ginmar on A View From A Broad has sometimes said that men are not natural disasters and that women should not have to live as though preparing for said disasters. In the meta-sense she is absolutely right. On a day to day level when you actually have to live with this shit–and she has, and so have I, and I bet you have too–nobody likes to stand out in an empty, treeless field and be hit by lightning. None of us control the lightning. None of us make it hit us. The worst part is we have to be out in that field if we want to have any kind of public life at all–and worse yet, the fucking lightning is intelligent and knows exactly what it’s doing.

    So, what to do? Make friends with the folks at the local burn unit and hope you are alive to say Hi to them next time you drop by? Carry a lightning rod out into the field with you? Wear rubber armor? What?

    It is one thing to spout theory about this, to say “it’s all men’s fault”–it IS all men’s fault, and the male gaze IS the problem. Quite another to leave it at the spouting of the theory and to ignore the fact that we cannot change men’s hearts and minds for them, and that meanwhile men are still hurting women and we need clear answers for coping with that fact.

    For some women coping takes the form of covering up. Not me necessarily, I wear large t-shirts and baggy jeans and sometimes a hat, and I think it’s too damn hot to veil. And there are lots of different ways to be modest, even so–it varies from religion to religion and culture to culture, and even members of the same faith or culture may have different interpretations.

    But this is how they cope. And I’m beyond tired of seeing feminists give them crap about it. Especially when no viable alternative ever seems to be offered. It’s never, “You’re oppressed if you have to veil. Here, do this instead and you’ll still feel like your privacy is protected.” I’ve been reading feminist blogs for years now and I haven’t seen anything yet other than “We have to change their culture so they don’t have to do this anymore,” which carries its own set of cultural imperialist baggage, and again, you can’t change anyone’s heart or mind. They have to do it themselves. That’s true everywhere–even when men are pushy and are bullies and try to bend women and minorities to their will, the truth is that they only get us to act differently, not necessarily to think differently. Which is why we have feminist and other liberation movements at all. It works the other way too–you could get guys to act just the way you want them to. But number one, that smacks of women having to take responsibility for men. Number two, they will resent being controlled even if we were to miraculously manage it, and their little acts of subversion would be harmful to us.

    So… *throws hands up* I don’t know. I *do* see feminists, especially radfems, often say after some nasty piece of news or another that they no longer want to associate with men. What’s the difference between that and not letting men see all of what you look like, I wonder? It’s still reacting to them. On the other hand, what else can we do? This is an honest question. If none of us can’t answer it–and I sure as hell can’t–then maybe we should give women room to figure out their own coping mechanisms, because when we get on some women’s cases about veiling or wearing long dresses, we’re doing the same damn thing the construction worker does when he whistles at us as we walk by.

  • Hey Nine Deuce

    Can I add you to my blogroll? Thanks!

  • Of course. I already put you on mine.

  • 9-2,
    My blogroll, you are on it. Thx for commenting on my blog.
    Still waiting for my very own troll to mock- you have such fun ones on here!

  • Nice new header you got, Nine! :)

  • Thanks! It has a secret significance, which I’ll be revealing on Thursday.

  • hey is that you in the banner? You’re pretty hot for a feminist.

  • So funny I forgot to laugh.

  • Wasn’t trying to be funny. You’ve got very feminine and beautiful hands, arms, legs. Can we see the rest of you?

  • First off, that isn’t me. It’s a very sophisticated joke. Second, are you fucking serious? You’re going to come to a radical feminist’s blog and say some shit like that?

  • sorry I just stumbled on your blog. I didn’t read it but I will read it now. I just thought if you were posing with the caption “sexiest women…”, you would be happy to receive compliments. But I guess that’s not you.

  • It says “sexist women.”

  • Hahaha, I can’t believe that conversation actually happened. mosdef can’t be for real. Wow.

  • I was worried that a lot of people wouldn’t pick up on the joke in the picture. I mean, it’s like the most apt spelling mistake of all time. Oh well. I have a new banner photo on its way.

  • “It says “sexist women.””

    ….

    Oops.

    I misread it as well. XP I thought you were going to make some ironic post about it or something. This is what I get for skim reading.

  • Hey 9-2, do you mind if I stick your blog in my blogroll? It’s a fembloggg….

  • Aoife – Go for it. Let me know the URL so I can come check you out.

  • Ah awesome, thanks. It’s http://superwombman.blogspot.com

    It’s little crude, tame, lame, whatevs. But she’s mine, and I love her. *sniff*

  • Your arguments are pretty solid, and I can appreciate what you’re saying although I don’t necessarily agree with all of them. Can you leave the hormonal contraceptives alone, though? Of course they don’t work for everyone, and there are a few health risks, but a fair number of women have less-than-optimally-functional-uteruses (uteri?). Without the OC I’m stuck bleeding once a month, which also entails being in intense pain and unable to move for two weeks. With it, I haven’t had to go through that for about three years.

  • Wow. I stumbled across this site, and I’m so impressed, Nine Deuce. When I hear words like “cougar” and “whore” I get furious, but usually end up saying something equivalent to: “it’s not fair!”
    You are certainly very eloquent and well read. I hope you won’t mind if I poach your language/logic to explain to my friends why words like this hurt us all.
    I’m 29 and was jokingly (hahaha) called a cougar by my 35 year old boyfriend’s friend. This made my head want to explode. Thanks for helping me be able to tell someone why.

  • Oh, oh, and did buttkicker really say that ‘blacks have become mainly good members of society’? Wow. His comments really amuse/scare me. Amuse me, because it’s so cute when dumb people try to think. Scare me, because he probably has so many contemporaries.

  • BUTTKICKER is certainly amusing. Feel free to poach anything you like. I’m sure I’ve poached plenty.

  • I’m not saying hormonal birth control ought to be outlawed, just that I’m tired of birth control being women’s responsibility and that I’m tired of the expectation that women ought to take on health risks when there may be options for male birth control with less disruptive and dangerous side effects.

  • By the way Nine Deuce, thank you so much for the link. I realize my first comment here sounded a bit trollish/condescending. :/.

  • Urg, I meant other comment, not first comment.

  • My favourite of all the Buttlicker saga so far is the declaration of “I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE MY CAPS-LOCK KEY IS YOU SPINELESS LIBERAL QUEER BUT I WANT EVERYONE TO HEAR WHAT I SAY THAT’S WHY I TYPE IN ALL CAPITALS.”

    Let’s just say that I laughed my ass off… leaving it readily available for a good licking, perhaps?

    Nine Deuce, it’s been said before, but I’d like the privilege of saying it again: You truly are a good writer, entertain, engaging and informative. I’m glad you’re here and taking the time to write, and you’re clearly saying the right things if you’re pissing off the MRAs! It reminds me of something Alfred Guinon said. “When everyone is against you, it means that you are absolutely wrong – or absolutely right.” This may just be the opinion of one teen feminist, but you’re dead on.

  • Oh I’m sorry! I meant Albert Guinon, the French playwright.

  • Just dropping a note to let you know I’m linking you (from http://nightgigjo.wordpress.com).

    One of these days I’m going to have the fortitude to publish MRA posts that make points for me. Right now they live in the moderation queue.

  • I almost fell out of my chair laughing hysterically at the all caps guy and the cologne guy. I’d like to see either of them in my shoes for a single day and see how well 1) they do at solving all the complex problems I deal with on a daily basis, and 2) dealing with my particular brand of “heat”. Good luck. I’ll be watching Dallas and getting my nails done in the call room.

    @all caps: BTW, Im a doc in training, so if you are ever in need of some gut surgery you should thank your lucky stars that even though I’m black I’m “mainly” a good member of society. You never know though…

  • Hm… I don’t agree with everything but I like your style!

    There should be more porn aimed at women. Like, if there was a porn staring a guy that looked like Cillian Murphy, I’d be happy as a clam.

  • “Porn isn’t cool. It’s a symptom of the fact that we live in a patriarchy,”

    Including gay porn?

  • It’s really good that you’ve decided to fight the power by using a blog theme that was created by a man. You go sister!

  • I’d like to state at the outset that I’m not consciously in this to insult, patronise or otherwise demean anyone. If my male socialised unconcious undermines my efforts at ‘coming in peace’ then I can only apologise for being all too human.

    Right, so this feminism gig – I have a problem with it. My itch is this: feminism is supposed to be about attaining equality, but I don’t get what exactly this equality is supposed to consist in.

    Is it an aspiration to numerical equality of representation in board rooms, houses of parliament etc? Well all the numbers seem to be showing that the number of women in business, law etc is increasing all the time. Women, generally, have the same opportunities to do well professionally as guys and, as far as I can see, they’re taking those opportunities. How is it reasonable to ask for anything more?

    Is it an aspiration to equality of portrayal in the media culture generally? I don’t know what an ‘equal’ portrayal would look like or if such a notion even makes sense. But perhaps what is meant is ‘a portrayal of women not for men’. I’d suggest that the current portrayal is not just for men. As has been said, women consume their media image as much as men which means that it’s an image that attracts them. You can be pissed at this state of affairs and wish society had a different image of women, but that isn’t a fight for equality, that’s plain old politics – trying to make other people think what you think. That’s fine, and maybe even ‘right’ or ‘good’, but it’s not ‘a fight for equality’.

    Is it an aspiration to equality of treatment? I think it’s fair to say that many men are pretty nasty to women. It’s also fair to say that many women are nasty to men. And to women for that matter. Human beings are often unpleasant to one another. I’d guess that, on ballance, men are more nasty to women than women are to men (possibly because they’re inherrently, phisiologically nastier, possibly because they have more opportunities, probably both). But you don’t have to be a feminist to have a problem with this particular form of human nastiness. I’d say it’s a part of my male identity to have a problem with violence against women just as it’s a part of the feminist identity to have that problem. Gender equality doesn’t seem to make much sense in this context either. Gender equality in violence how? Men and women should be equally violent to each other?

    I can’t say I’ve given much thought to the above, but I’d be interested in feedback.

    T

    • I’m not about equality (I don’t particularly want to be equal to men – doesn’t that presume I aspire to cultural maleness? How arrogant.), I’m about liberation. My main focus isn’t on representation, it’s on persuading people that women are human, and that our chief worth and identity ought not be defined by how many men want to pork us. Read around and you’ll see what I’m talking about. I suggest my greatest hits according to me, which you’ll find on the right. I’m not going to write a manifesto for you, but I’ve basically got one already written, so read it.

      • Ok, cool, I’m not too keen on equality either. I don’t really know what equality would mean you’d aspire to – that’s my point.

        As to worth defined as a function of men wanting to pork you, I can see where you’re coming from, but I’m not so sure where you’re going. Men will always want to pork women (and vice versa). It’s what human beings do and it’s pretty important to us as a species. You probably don’t have beef with this, so I guess your problem is with the extent to which sex defines our society and culture, right?

        I’ll hazard an explaination – sex is easy. We can all do it and it’s important to the majority of us, certainly to the vast majority of men, but I’d guess to the majority of women too (I could be wrong). Nothing else is so easily accessible to so many of us. Nothing else pushes so many buttons simultaneously, as such I’d say that sex, as a defining feauture of our society, is here to stay. That means that most people will try to make themselves attractive to the opposite sex where they can most of the time. It’s important to most people to be sexy.

        Sex can be pretty crass, superficial and, yes, destructive and guys are probably more prone to these negative sides of sex than girls. But the way to fight these negative sides of sex has got to have more to do with promoting and demonstrating the superiority of the positive sides of sex than with pouring vitriol on the negative sides right?

        Now I’ve been controvertial, and I don’t want you to think that I think that I can’t appreciate that there’s a lot in the negative side of sex to get vitriolic about, what I’m saying is that you’re not going to kill a form of sexuality by raging at it – better (and more effective) to show that it’s an inferior, pitiful form of sexulaity through advancing the positive sides of sex, no?

        • You’re missing something: women’s worth as human beings is determined by our sexual attractiveness in this society. That is, our usefulness to men. That’s the problem, not sex in and of itself.

          • I wonder if Janet Reno would agree with that.

            • Come on, Tess. You know that our culture tells women over and over that their #1 source of worth lies in their physical appearance. Janet Reno knows it, too. Or I suppose you’ve never heard any jokes about her appearance?

              • How about my last reply? Where’s that disappeared to?

                • Fuck off, Tom. I’m not discussing sexual politics with someone who is so invested in male privilege that he can’t see that the objectification and commodification of women is a result of misogyny. If you care to know what I think (which I doubt), see my category “Be Fuckable or Die.” It’s on the right.

  • i cant say i have fully understood you, Nine Deuce, but i am reading and learning every day. you write very well, way better than i could ever hope to.

    i just want to tell you that your writing makes me look up to you in awe and admiration. It would give me a sense of worth if i could assist you ever, in any capacity, someday.

    i am a male, from kolkata, india. and a writer of the lowliest kind – advertising copywriter.

    • Thanks! I’ve been to Kolkata. It’s a very interesting city. And writing copy can be a good thing, can’t it? It’s good practice for adjectives and whatnot, and it’s also kind of funny sometimes. I often laugh when I read shampoo bottles and think I should write copy for a living to amuse myself.

      • ha, i say it’s bad because it makes me sell things that i dont believe should even be sold. like preservatives, mobile phones and other carcinogens. but that’s not what your blog is about, so i stop right there.

        your writing has a greater purpose. makes my existence seem meaningless in comparison.

        very good to learn you’v travelled this way. hope to get to meet you the second time you’re around!

  • ok, i don’t want to come across as a kiss-ass. but i don’t know if i can help myself.

    i just read your anti-bdsm series. it rocked. you are one of my fucking heroes now and here is why.

    i am a huge critic of bdsm, and until very recently i have felt very alone and alienated about this. (i still kinda do, because in ‘real life’ i have only one person in my circle of friends who agrees with me. the others who feel similarly i’ve found on the internet, people like you.)

    i’m a women’s studies major in my final year of undergrad. everytime the issue of bdsm comes up in class, i raise my hand and speak my mind. and everytime, several of my ‘feminist’ peers raise their hands and disagree with me. some get offended. some call me a sex-negative puritan. some call me a bigot, no better than a homophobe. and they all go on and on about how subversive bdsm is.

    not once has someone put their hand up to say she agrees with me. twice people have put their hand up and said “i agree with harmony, but…” and then proceeded to say the ways in which they disagree, which makes me wonder what the hell it is they agree with me about.

    last year this drove me to a very low emotional state. one of my larger classes (over a hundred) had an email listserv. i spent weeks immersed in the same kinds of arguments you see going on in your comments sections. only the argument wasn’t evenly matched in terms of who was on what side. it was literally me versus everyone else with anything to say. (i did get my fellow anti-bdsm friend, who wasn’t in the class, to join the listserv and add his arguments to the mix… not so much cuz i needed help destroying these fools’ arguments, but because i felt so fucking alone.)

    anyways, this took up hours and hours and hours and hours…. of my time. and it dragged on for weeks. it really got to me emotionally.

    i have other war stories, but won’t get into them now.

    and this is why i love you: i see you doing the same thing that i did, and going through the same thing… the hours at the computer arguing for a worthy cause. it’s great to see someone else with this much passion for justice in regards to this issue. and i can also sympathize with how it might be impacting you emotionally.

    and it’s not just you i love for this… i notice many of your readers are deeply engaged in the comment war that’s going on. and i love them all, too, and sympathize with them. (i’m referring to the anti-bdsm ones!)

    i know i’ve posted this link several times, but i want to post it again for those readers who have not seen it. it’s to a facebook group called “sex-positive leftists critical of bdsm”. here is the link:

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=64053174528

    anyone who joins this group, feel free to add me as a facebook friend! i’m trying to build social connections (even if they’re just internet ones) with others who feel similarly to me on the bdsm issue, because it’s damn depressing to be in classes full of self-defined feminists who think bdsm is great. and if you live in toronto, let’s hang out sometime and keep each other sane!

    warning about the group: it needs to be updated, and i will hopefully get to that sooner rather than later. there are changes i have in mind to make, points i want to add, others i want to expand on, and several quantitative research studies that i have recently found (yay!) to support a couple of claims i made (one, that a history of childhood sexual abuse is correlated at a statistically significant level with bdsm type fantasies; and two, that patriarchal gender roles tend to be reproduced in bdsm, in that males are much more likely than females to be “doms” and females are much more likely than males to be “subs”).

    i’d like to ask again, will you post this as a link in your blog? maybe even highlight it in a blog entry of its own? (don’t gotta say much, just post the name and the link.) i know i’ve asked you elsewhere in other comments, and i’m sorry for the repetition, but in previous comments i didn’t check the little box that says “notify me of follow-up comments via email” so i won’t know what you say in response (unless i go back and check my previous comment posts, and i don’t remember where those all are). but i just now noticed the little check box, and have checked it off, so if you reply here i will get an email notification about it. also, i hope i don’t seem like i’m just interested in self-promotion. i really just want to get the message out.

    once again, you freakin’ rock. i really admire your willingness to dedicate so much time and energy to maintain this blog and to tackle the issue of bdsm and other important issues. and if ever you’re feeling low about seemingly endless arguments with idiots, know that i’ve been there, too. and that it’s ok to take a break.

    the same goes for other readers of this blog who have been engaged in these comment wars about bdsm (or whatever else)! much love and admiration to all of you too, and i feel for you all.

  • Oh BUTTKICKER, you are soooo funny and cute. Get some more sleep, take more vitamins, call your Mom coz you seem to be waaay too stressed, poor petal.

    Big kisses poor little thing. Hope you get better soon.

  • So glad I have a stumble button, your about me is fantastic, so fantastic that I had to start reading on to what other people had to say, and then it got -really- interesting. I didn’t want to stop reading, but the stupidity of others was giving me a headache.
    All in all, I think this is great, and as hard as it is to change the minds of all, you’re still contributing.
    I’m in the photography industry, and the down-ward spiral of appearance in magazines, billboards, and media in general is really disappointing. http://video.nytimes.com/video/playlist/opinion/op-ed/1194833176718/index.html#1194838469575
    You might find this interesting, if you’ve not already viewed.
    Thanks for your intelligence!

  • i came across your site on stumbleupon,

    love a lot. i’ll be back for more

  • I haven’t laughed that hard in a long time! Thanks Nine Deuce! I have had the opportunity to read a few of you blogs and am thirsting for more! I appreciate your sarcasm, quick-witted intelligence, and most of all your guts! Keep doin’ what you’re doin’!

    New fan,
    Miss

  • I love you….

  • [...] from you, whether it be rooting for or against her.  Just check out some of the comments on her about page.  Excellent.  And you know what else?  This is the only person who hates sports in the same way [...]

  • Dear Maude, what have you started?

    Someone else trying to explain away anything bad that has been pointed out about BDSM:
    The Psychology of Kink

    warning, site is NSFW at all-and don’t read her other entries, they read like she’s writing for her next client.

    It does tickle me that so many people have gotten so worked-up over your stuff. Seems to me you hit a huge nerve =D

  • Hey 9-2, I hate to admit that I was one of those “liberal dudes” that you talk about on your blog who like to convince everyone they’re thinking progressively for their own selfish desires (and ultimate self-righteousness). Just by being a student of sociology at a state university taking classes about the oppression of minorities, be them of gender, class, ethno/race,etc. was important enough. I unfortunately never had once applied real in-depth crtical thought to my own thought processes and impact on those around me.

    Upon finding your blog through one of your posts against the oppressing “ethical” nature of American Apparel I’ve come to re-evaluate, through critical self-reflection, my role in society, specifically the patriarchy that I am a part of, in addition to the society in which I live, in many ways and am looking forward to this new sense of consciousness.

    I’ve gone through most of your posts for the past three days and I seem to agree with most (if not all) of the points you make. Your ideas alone on the core differences between conservatives and liberals alone (the banning vs. critical thinking/ juts because you can doesn’t mean you should/bottom up reasoning) had me putting my own views and reasons through a magnifying glass.

    I admire your writing style because doesn’t hold back any honesty and does so in quite a witty fashion. Have you considered stand up comedy?

    In any event, thank you for everything you have done so far through this blog and continue to do. I look forward to being continually challenged by the ideas you put forth and finally feel able to challenge the world in a meaningful way.

    You’ve made a fan and an ally.

    -Mike

  • Also, its funky but I mean talking from experience, unfortunately, I assume a lot of the misled MRA’s who are on here are either too afraid to shine the light on themselves and their own actions, thus thinking critically and taking responsibility, or jump in right away, usually in an uninformed and illogically sense that ends up being quite hateful I might add, out of some weird misplaced sense of the guilt of being a man. I hate to think that these MRA’s are selfish and really do consider themselves to be a superior type of human, but that’s another option serious to consider (even though I’d like to think humans are inherently good and only learn to cause suffering)

    It’s too easy to get bummed on myself for doing what I did (and continue to undue my social programming for the actions and processes I still have to fight). I’d reckon it comes close to being something like white guilt/straight guilt/blah blah blah privileged guilt, in the sense that the guilt helps nobody.

    All of the privileged reactionary (oh my god a woman speaks out against us?! she obviously needs to be put back in her place because shes wrong about ME!!!) horse shit needs to be focused on positive, constructive action, and in the least self-reflective thought. I don’t think a lot of the MRA’s have ever considered that their expressed thoughts and actions not only represent what they feel about a certain issue, but also what kind of value system they hold and what sorts of specific events led to their holding of said value system. I mean a lot of these dudes try to end up sounding progressive but just end up turning out to be small minded-bigots.

    So DUDES AND BRO’S out there that haven’t made this cause a PERSONAL one yet for the betterment of the HUMANS AS A WHOLE (Buttkicker69 I’m looking at your direction), I know your’e capable of making this world a better place if you just SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LISTEN (or in this case read the blog post, subsequent comments, and then figure out how it applies to you in your daily life) before you even consider what you’re going to say next.

    I’m just sick of awesome discussion being interrupted constantly on all of these replies.

    Big thanks to everyone else that follows this blog that isn’t a jerk. The conversation is always just as important as the post to help expand on the ideas presented.

    -Mike

    -Mike

  • Hello,

    Patrick Berkeley introduced me to this website. I like it.

    Bye now,

    Calvin

  • The intense love I am feeling for you and your blog has deprived me of the ability to form coherent sentences. (What I typed first was something like, “GAHHHH OMGZ U RULE SO HARD LOVE IT!!!”)

  • i must admit that i used have more than a passing interest in bdsm. but that was until i became a regular reader of this site. its not been easy, but i can safely say that i have been able to suppress those fantasies to a fairly non-existant degree now. thank you.

  • This may or may not be the right place for this (apologies if it’s not), but I’ve got a question for you, Nine Deuce: How do I go about alerting you about something I’ve read that I think might interest you? I don’t see an ‘email me’ link, which seems to me to be prudent considering the number of dolts out there who would just abuse that privilege, and I don’t want to just go around posting links on other people’s blogs without permission. So if you’re cool with random links being posted, I shall do so (though I’d ask where would be most appropriate), and if not, well, I dunno what.

  • Ok, well here’s the link then:

    http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/83/pornocalypse_now.html

    I’ll have to remember to look harder at the right-hand side next time I scroll all the way down the page…

  • Hi. I was looking for the search box and then I realized that… You don’t have one. What I am trying to say is that it would be useful if you could put one in the sidebar, it’d be much appreciated. Thanks!

  • “I try to have an abortion at least once every ten weeks. I find it’s good for my complexion. ” haha. nice. can I put this on a tshirt?

  • I love your blog. Fuck off and learn, dudes.

  • “I try to have an abortion at least once every ten weeks. I find it’s good for my complexion. ”

    My complexion must be worse than yours. I need an abortion every eight weeks or so for it to do anything for my blackheads :-)

  • Bluma Janowitz

    Whoa.
    First off, I have to say..I love the site. Love it. Too bad you have so many quasi retards compelled to leave such blurbs of verbal vomit as comments to bog down what could be a nice group of intellectual discussion regarding your blog entries, but I suppose the interweb is full of morons…we just have to live with it.

    I suppose, I just added to that pile, no? Jesus christ…its never ending.

    Anyhew. Keep up the good work ladyfriend. As a Camile style feminazi myself, we don’t see eye to eye on everything, but thats why I love ya. If everyone would just agree to disagree and listen to others opinions and not have a fucking aneurysm, the world would be a better place.

    To the bible thumping, cock wielding freak shows…..suck it. You don’t count. mwaahhhhhaaaahaaa

  • Buttkicker69 (from way upthread) has GOT to be a parody.

    Anyhoos, love the blog!


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