New Study Finds Nitrites Decrease Gayness

30 Aug

Watching cable is almost never a good idea, but watching G4 is especially ill-advised. In fact, Spike might be the only channel on television more likely than G4 to cause a feminist to angrily stomp around her own apartment in front of no one. So there I was, watching a little G4 the other day when I happened to catch a new Slim Jim ad. I haven’t seen a Slim Jim joint since they hired Macho Man Savage to cement what one assumes must have been their already large following in the wrestling fan community, and I had just learned of Savage’s demise (mainly because a lot of my Facebook friends are, unfortunately, the kinds of dorks who think it’s clever to publicly lament the death of a professional wrestler), so I was mildly interested in seeing whether they would be distributing a Macho Man Savage Memorial Stick for people to snap into. This is what I saw:

The ad opens with a heavy dude with a beard (which has somehow become the new ideal male form, according to men) sitting in the back of Slim Jim’s “manbulance” (that’s right) stocked with various meat sticks. He asks the two EMTs how he ended up in their care, and they inform him that he had “just a salad” for lunch, a fact that leaves him both befuddled and irate. The scene then cuts to Slim Jim’s new logo, a play on the caduceus, and an auditory and visual claim that Slim Jims are “made from stuff guys need.” Pretty well flabbergasted, I decided to go check out the Slim Jim YouTube offerings to see whether this ad was a stand-alone unit or part of a larger campaign aimed at winning the Worst Ad Campaign Concept of 2011 trophy. Here is the first ad I found:

Slim Jim ran this ad in advance of all the others to introduce the public to the idea that they would be rolling the manbulance out in the near future in an attempt to “save men from themselves,” the “selves” being indicated by a wedding set-up and the “saving” occurring when the manbulance crashes through the nuptial arch, thus rescuing a would-be groom from having to endure entering into the one social institution that most guarantees the continuation of his social, financial, and cultural supremacy. This introductory spot was followed up with several ads in which more fat and/or bearded medical authorities tacitly call men faggots for engaging in various activities that are tritely associated with femininity before throwing a meat stick at them. A few examples:

Note the kegerators in this uber-manly waiting room, attended not by a nurse, but a “murse.” Because gay chick shit begins with the letter N, whereas real men only begin words with M.

Alright, that’s enough.

You might be laboring under the delusion that Slim Jim consumption is at odds with a healthy lifestyle, but that’s because you’re a pussy. Women might be able to get by on various combinations of vegetables, protein, and grains, but guys need sodium nitrite and dog food grade meat, and Slim Jim is literally made of stuff guys need. Men have needs women just can’t understand. They need food, shelter, and companionship just like women do, but they have additional specialized requirements that derive from their unique evolutionary heritage. For example, because their ancestors traveled in packs to kill animals for food and to capture women to rape in order to further the species, men have an instinctive need to get together in groups to sexually harass women and to eat foods that allow them to spiritually connect with their forebears who feasted on meat straight off of the bone, foods such as buffalo wings. In prehistoric times, men also spent quite a bit of time playing tic-tac-toe with their companions in the dirt, which explains why modern men need to commune via online video games, poker nights, and fantasy football leagues. And, of course, we all know that, because male hormones have such a powerful influence on men’s behavior, men require regular doses of Coors Light and pornography to keep their innate desire to rape and kill everything they see in check.

But seriously. What exactly is Slim Jim trying to tell us about men, women, and what “guys need”? Women do yoga, ride scooters, eat salads, practice hygiene, and willingly display sentimentality, so men need to eat sticks made out of barely-USDA-approved beef, “mechanically separated chicken” (whatever the fuck that is), toxic chemicals, and “spices”? Or is it that men’s dream of redefining modern manhood as endless adolescence is threatened by the stubbornly enduring expectation that men will eventually move out of their parents’ houses, get jobs, and cut down their video game time? For which the only remedy is a stick made out of barely-USDA-approved beef, “mechanically separated chicken” (whatever the fuck that is), toxic chemicals, and “spices”?

The ad men (they must have been men) behind the Slim Jim manbulance campaign aren’t really breaking any new ground as much as they are simply taking notice of the ubiquitous — though somewhat inchoate — neo-masculine ideology cropping up everywhere one looks, from Man vs. Food to beard contests. In order to be a real man, one must be dirty, hairy, and stupid to the point of self-destructiveness. The poorer one’s decision making skills, the greater his masculinity, it seems.

Unhealthy is the new manly because women, in an attempt to adhere to the weight guidelines of the fuckability mandate, have become associated with just about all healthy decisions a human being can make (in addition, of course, to some of the most unhealthy), and no one wants to be associated with women. Hairiness is the new manly because women, in acquiescing to porn culture’s demands, are removing nearly every hair from their bodies that isn’t on the top of their heads. Irresponsible, lazy, and stupid are the new manly because women keep showing up in previously male-only corporate and academic environments, thus removing “breadwinner,” “scholar,” and “responsible adult” from the list of roles men can occupy while maintaining strict boundaries between the male and female social realms. Whatever women are doing, men have got to knock off in order to maintain gender difference, and as women begin to do just about everything, men are left with few roles other than hot dog eating champion and porn connoisseur. Men are literally going to kill themselves in order to uphold some form of difference on which to base male supremacist hierarchy, even if the difference becomes so bizarre and stupid as to threaten to logically — and possibly materially — subvert the hierarchy itself.

Male privilege is truly a sight to behold. Men can behave like gluttonous, lazy, petulant infants, wantonly using, abusing, and disregarding women who are demonstrably more competent and civilized than they are, and yet still retain control of all of the governments on Earth, own 99% of the world’s property, and require women to do two thirds of the work done in the world for a tenth of the total wages that work produces. No matter how ridiculous and barbaric men’s behavior becomes — even according to standards conceived of and enforced by men — they expect to continue to dominate the world and all of its social structures because they have been able to do since the dawn of time by simply changing the rules or resorting to violence when women breach the gender divide. No word yet on how they’ll continue to do so on a diet of Slim Jims and PBR, so maybe there’s hope.

57 Responses to “New Study Finds Nitrites Decrease Gayness”

  1. Hecate August 30, 2011 at 4:07 PM #

    Amazing commentary as usual, ND! No doubt you’ve also seen this one? “200 pounds of men!”

    I’m a veggie gal, btw. My ex once tried to impress me by going vegan for about 2 seconds. Lol.

  2. Hecate August 30, 2011 at 4:10 PM #

    Correction “600 pounds of men.” :D Get my math right, dangit!

  3. No Sugarcoating August 30, 2011 at 6:18 PM #

    I haven’t watched G4 in several years, but isn’t that a channel for gamers? Perhaps it’s changed since then. As always, you are hilarious and your commentary is spot-on.

  4. Rainbow Riot August 30, 2011 at 8:43 PM #

    I have long pondered the strange and infuriating way masculinity has been leaning these days, but I think that ND summed it all up: Keeping the gender divide at any cost. Which may be to our advantage over time.

  5. Immir August 31, 2011 at 7:28 AM #

    Here is one from Australia for KFC. Conformity for men (sounds like a fragrance, does it not?)

  6. joy August 31, 2011 at 11:11 AM #

    @RainbowRiot yes! In the words of a friend: “Sit back and let Darwin do his thing!”

    @Immir, that’s terrible. I love the implicit (or was it explicit? I watched it with the sound off) that the woman is making the poor beard-man get all pink and nice.

    For the record, if more men were in the habit of bringing me no-strings-attached fruit pies (and fewer men were in the habit of beating, raping, and murdering women etc), then I might like them a little better.

  7. Hecate August 31, 2011 at 12:26 PM #

    Ah, well I knew there was a reason my engagement to a New Zealander didn’t work out! I have noticed the hyper-macho tendencies in Australian and Kiwi culture. Not awful fond of the accent either, I might add.

    Here’s a brilliant short from my Irish friend. He proves here that just about anything can be given a ‘macho’ following. I think at least he gets it! I’ve always chosen my friends wisely :)

  8. lizor August 31, 2011 at 12:28 PM #

    Brilliant post as usual. Thanks so much for making my day with your wit and insight – and in the case of this post, that ever-elusive commodity for radfems: hope!

    “Men are literally going to kill themselves in order to uphold some form of difference on which to base male supremacist hierarchy, even if the difference becomes so bizarre and stupid as to threaten to logically — and possibly materially — subvert the hierarchy itself.”

    Oh please, Goddess…Oh please, Goddess…Oh please, Goddess…Oh please, Goddess…Oh please, Goddess….

  9. Rian August 31, 2011 at 2:12 PM #

    isn’t that a channel for gamers?

    Supposedly, yes. But the only things that seem to be on it when I’m watching television are Cheaters marathons, behind-the-scenes coverage of some sexpo or various “yay porn” shows.

  10. Charlie August 31, 2011 at 2:28 PM #

    This rules. Although one suggestion:

    Because gay chick shit begins with the letter N, whereas real men only begin words with M.

    I propose we rename them “mitrates”.

  11. Bill August 31, 2011 at 10:55 PM #

    REAL men, and the women who neglect to love them!

    http://www.examiner.com/in-pictures-in-philadelphia/teen-stabbed-at-mayors-bowling-party

    “Mayor Michael Nutter fed up with teen violence in Philadelphia extended the curfew for kids under 18 in certain ares of the city. He also organized fun things for kids to do. This was an attempt to curb flash mobs and violence. Saturday night, as kids were leaving a bowling party at Erie lanes, on Erie Ave., a girl was stabbed after she refused to go out with an 18 year old who kept hitting on her.”

    “Corey Maxey,18, of North 10th Street allegedly could not take rejection too well, and stabbed the girl as she was walking to a bus stop with friends. She was rushed to a local hospital where she was treated for a puncture wound in her arm and released.”

    { snip }

    Corey has friends!

    Free Corey Gunz

    https://www.facebook.com/FreeCoreyGunz

    ———————————

    Wow, the reaction of Mr. Maxey’s friends is chilling.

  12. skeptifem August 31, 2011 at 11:41 PM #

    G4 is the worst channel ever. The sexism was bad when I watched it years ago, and it was constantly worsening, so I can’t imagine how awful it is now. I remember when cinematech started having episodes that were nothing but “sexy” scenes from games, most of them from japan. They got rid of all the programming about computers, and all the non-porn2K compliant females, and showed episodes of Cheaters with a young dude-bro giving the voice overs in young person slang. The worst part about G4 was how it smacked of old white marketing dudes trying to figure out what young people like. It is fucking painful to watch.

  13. Sugarpuss September 2, 2011 at 2:03 AM #

    Well, they’re gonna need that “manbulance” in about 10 or 20 years, thanks to the idiotic, modern-day American male belief that the destruction of one’s body, via garbage food consumption, is an expression of masculinity.

    LOL Good riddance.

  14. gracemargaret September 2, 2011 at 2:48 PM #

    I’m waiting for the KFC ad with a woman in painful high heels, uncomfortably tight clothes, perputual wedgie underwear (thong), all waxed and shaved in the necessary places, simpering and acting dumb for her man…then ditching it all to be comfortable and have fun with her gal pals.
    I know, not going to happen anytime soon.

    There are so many ads like this I have completely lost track. Another really awful one was the Dockers slacks campaign with its “Man-ifesto” about men reclaiming their god-given role of being the one who wears the pants in the relationship, because since women have taken over cities are crumbling and children are misbehaving. http://www.us.dockers.com/season/landing.aspx

    Dockers is owned by Levi-Strauss. I wrote a complaint and got a response saying they understand that the ad doesn’t necessarly ‘resonate’ with everyone.

  15. isme September 3, 2011 at 2:02 AM #

    “I’m waiting for the KFC ad with a woman in painful high heels, uncomfortably tight clothes, perputual wedgie underwear (thong), all waxed and shaved in the necessary places, simpering and acting dumb for her man…then ditching it all to be comfortable and have fun with her gal pals.”

    Heh…seriously, though, surely this would be a massively successful add campaign? I heard that there were almost as many women as there are men, and sometimes they buy stuff as well.

  16. gracemargaret September 3, 2011 at 5:05 PM #

    You wouldn’t know that women actually buy stuff, considering all these ads. There’s a new ad with a domestic violence theme for a freakin hair salon, a new photoshoot with one of the stars of Glee with a huge black eye and a man binding her hands with the cord of a clothing iron:

    http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/glee-star-latest-fashion-victim-in-offensive-shoot-black-and-blue-is-not-the-new-black-2539137/

    There are also links in this article to a bunch of other ads in mainstream national magazines with women being beaten, bruised, and impaled. Women aren’t supposed to be allowed to relax and fun with the gals, we are supposed to know our place and be reminded of how we can be abused and brutalized if we step out of line.

  17. Valerie September 4, 2011 at 1:59 AM #

    This whole idea of getting away from anything girly is a lot like white-flight. I guess it would be called fem-flight. Sorry, if someone else has already coined that. I’m going to start bragging about how me and my girlfriends just love to brush and floss our teeth. And read. It’s all so girly and men shouldn’t do it.
    Along with the healthy eating, it’s got me thinking of all the activities that are now gendered that didn’t used to be and how it’s depressingly normalized. Dancing, singing, dressing nice, poetry, plays, playing an instrument, tailoring, gardening, teaching, going to church and so on and so on.
    I can barely remember the time when men used to dance instead of just humping any female on the dance floor. That’s so annoying.

  18. isme September 4, 2011 at 4:58 AM #

    So there is something capitalists care about more than making money? That’s not supposed to be disappointing.

  19. gracemargaret September 4, 2011 at 9:05 PM #

    @Isme
    If you read Susan Faludi’s “Backlash: The Undeclared War Against Women” she has tale after tale of businesses geared toward women and run by men who would ignore the research on what women actually wanted and instead chose to dictate what they should want, which inevitably led to them going out of business.
    So yeah, it seems like controlling women is even more of a bottom line then money, which is pretty chilling.

  20. ocdaydreamer September 4, 2011 at 9:55 PM #

    They have to be called “Murses” because only women are nurses! It’s emasculating for a man to be a nurse! Just like a secretary or flight attendant!

    I really hate the one with the scooter, because they seem to be objecting to the fact that the woman is in front, steering, and the man is in the back. Everyone knows that only MEN can drive! If you don’t drive, it’s not MANLY!

    And then these guys claim to love women.

  21. parviflora September 5, 2011 at 9:36 PM #

    if you hate men so much, then why do you look like one?

  22. Murasaki September 6, 2011 at 6:10 AM #

    We have a whole series of these manly man KFC ads here in Australia. One features two overweight dudes (one bearded) playing table tennis with those Silence of the Lambs night vision things on and its advertising a “man” sandwich of bacon and cheese between two chicken patties. The girlfriend comes home and crashes their man-time. Bummer dude! The girls in the KFC ads seem to be fuckability mandate compliant while the blokes seem to fit the pudgy bearded dude “ideal”. Theres another one where one bloke is ridiculed by the hot girl cos he cant eat the spicy burger. Burn ya mouth out Doritos are also marketed to bloke-y stupidity.
    Theres a fucked new Vodafone ad on over here too which is advertising unlimited texting, and social networking – with a guy talking about stalking his ex. Noice! If you’re feeling like a good vom you could also check out the Jim Beam “Dilemma” ads.

  23. EmilyBites September 6, 2011 at 1:59 PM #

    This reactionary macho bullshit is vair tedious. Those Snickers ‘Get some nuts’ ads piss me off too.

  24. joy September 7, 2011 at 7:34 PM #

    LOLOLOLOL!

  25. MM September 8, 2011 at 2:57 PM #

    As always, Nine Deuce, you manage to nail the parts of our culture that piss me the fuck off. Pop culture is setting the bar for men lower and lower, and despite being lazy overweight perpetual adolescents they expect hot, successful women to go crazy for them (see: Knocked Up, etc.) While I don’t want to suggest that women have ever gotten a good deal out of society, at least in the old days the men who oppressed us had some dignity.

  26. Hecate September 8, 2011 at 8:33 PM #

    Add ‘skidmarks’ to ‘lazy’ and ‘overweight.’ There’s this awful episode of Sex and the City, in which Miranda finds them in her partner’s tighty whities as she sorts through the laundry, but instead of chiding him for it, she gives him the ultimate prize and has sex with him on the washing machine. As long as women deem behavior like that ‘cute,’ it can only get worse, obviously. It really seems like women here are among the few who have any standards.

  27. joy September 8, 2011 at 10:09 PM #

    Funny you should mention that, Hecate. Real-life radical feminist friends and I have had the skidmark conversation before. Once, notably, over dinner.

    There is no reason for a healthy adult person to leave skidmarks in their shorts on a regular, repeated basis. The fact that society is run by people who DO leave skidmarks on a regular basis, and who see nothing unusual about this, is pretty damn depressing.

    The thought of having sex with someone who leaves skidmarks, much less *because* he leaves skidmarks, is possibly more depressing. I think if I was still having sex with men, that alone would make me stop.

  28. gracemargaret September 9, 2011 at 3:39 PM #

    For those who are interested in Cordelia Fine’s Delusions of Gender, she did a great talk on ForaTV about the subject of neurosexism: http://fora.tv/2010/10/02/Cordelia_Fine_Delusions_of_Gender#post49472
    This woman is very brave for taking on the powers that be, the very ones that think *they* are being brave for doing what men have been doing for centuries, putting women down and trying to twist science for their agendas.

  29. Hecate September 10, 2011 at 12:00 AM #

    Ugh, I know joy. I mean, if being part of the ‘entitled class’ means that I am even oblivious to the fact that there is shit in my buttcrack, then count me out of wanting to ever be a member of that club. Those dudes need to move back in with Mom and Dad, ’cause they sure as hell won’t be living with me! The Mirandas of the world can have their smelly butts :D

  30. lizor September 10, 2011 at 8:24 AM #

    Thanks for the link, gracemargaret. She’s fantastic. Her book is great too. She’s an excellent writer.

  31. Alison September 13, 2011 at 9:40 AM #

    My only hope is that with a diet of Slim Jim’s and PBR, the average life expectancy will continue to grow in women’s favor and we’ll outlive them. We can procreate without them, might as well run the rest of the world while we’re at it.

  32. jimbo702 September 16, 2011 at 8:32 PM #

    Since when is being insecure and sexist essential to being an adult with a Y chromosome? Good thing I don’t let stupid commercials define my manhood for me.

    Ad execs think we’re stupid because most of us are. No one seems to see this as a problem. Dip shits.

  33. jimbo702 September 16, 2011 at 8:54 PM #

    Joy writes:

    “There is no reason for a healthy adult person to leave skidmarks in their shorts on a regular, repeated basis. The fact that society is run by people who DO leave skidmarks on a regular basis, and who see nothing unusual about this, is pretty damn depressing.”

    Word. (response to first sentence) That’s grounds for a trip to the doctor. (response to second sentence) Skidmark people! With whom we can’t reason! They can’t see past their own feet…assuming they can see their feet at all.

  34. jimbo702 September 16, 2011 at 9:15 PM #

    @gracemargaret – *applause for the link*

  35. gracemargaret September 18, 2011 at 12:24 AM #

    @jimbo702
    Being insecure and sexist is what you need to be to buy into this type of advertising. They play on the common fear most people have of being an outcast/not fitting in. This is true of ads directed at women as well. I’m lucky that I was/am such a nerd that fitting in was never high on my list of priorities. It’s very liberating to not care. :)
    I don’t understand this concept that being a man is something you must *constantly* ‘prove,’ and is always at risk from those of us with estrogen. Like your biology isn’t enough to be a man, and simply empathizing with women/seeing women as real people is so dangerous your penis might fall off or you’ll start to grow “manboobs” if you try.

  36. jimbo702 September 18, 2011 at 7:50 PM #

    @gracemargaret – I liked that link you posted so much that I bought the book. I no longer care about fitting in…and you’re right – it’s VERY liberating. I’m with you on the whole “prove your manhood” concept. What are we proving? To whom? Why? As a bisexual man who has been married to a feminist woman for thirteen years, I gave up trying to answer those questions a long time ago and began defining my own PERSONhood – a work that will perpetually be in progress…eschewing defining my personhood by a gender. Not gender-blind, per se, but knowing that qualities that are respectable and “good” exist universally and are not restricted to a certain gender.

    …if that makes sense. I’m doped up on cold medicine right now. :-/

  37. Embee September 29, 2011 at 3:33 PM #

    Nine Deuce you have a finger on the pulse of this stuff. As a single mom I have a lot of single mom friends. The proportion of the fathers that are unemployed and laying about their mother’s houses is ASTOUNDING. And these guys were working when we met them! However, continuing to behave as responsible adults in the face of a woman also doing so seems to be too much. Indeed, the last three men with whom I cohabitated became VOLUNTARILY unemployed 6 months after cohabitation began. No shit. And, no, they weren’t managing the (excuse me: MY) house either. They played on (my)computer, watched (my) tv and drank (my) beer, as you do when you are a member of the entitled class.

  38. Sugarpuss September 29, 2011 at 5:17 PM #

    @Embee: I’d like to offer you a ginormous “THANK YOU” for your commentary regarding the real gold-diggers; MEN.

    As far as I’m concerned, there is no such thing as a legitimately employed, self-sustaining man. From the Joe Plumber types who wake up to a grand breakfast prepared by the dutiful wife, to sleazeballs like Hugh Hefner who profit directly from the objectification of his “playmates”… every-fucking-one of them are making money off the back of some woman. Thus, there is no such thing as a “working man”, as men haven’t worked for jack-squat since ancient times… and even way back then, women were still providing (unpaid & uncredited) services that laid the foundation for the advancement of human society.

  39. gracemargaret September 30, 2011 at 10:11 PM #

    @Embee
    Have you heard of the new IKEA store‘s “manland”? It’s a place in the store where men can play pinball and video games and watch TV on a couch while their wives/girlfriends shop. Basically a men’s nursery room. They give the women beepers so they know to check on the men and not forget to pick them up when there done. (I’m sure it would be tempting to ‘forget’.)

    I have a male relative who has been mooching off his female friend for the last four years. He has no job, she pays for pretty much everything, including rent in a very expensive part of Northern California. She comes from a wealthy family, so it’s not that it’s a big financial burden for her, but it’s enabling his infantile behavior. He is in his forties, for heaven’s sake! And before that he’d mooch off his parents and his girlfriends. He hasn’t had a serious job since his early thirties. She’s way to nice to believe she’s being taken advantage of, so there’s not much I can do to convince her to stop. He’s very good at dramatic sob stories to get you to give him large amounts of cash (he’s hit up pretty much every relative he has for cash, including me). He acts like he’s entitled to be taken care of and believes in the redistribution of wealth, but just into his pockets.

    @jimbo702
    “qualities that are respectable and “good” exist universally and are not restricted to a certain gender.” Yes, that makes total sense, even when doped up on cold medicine. J I’m glad you liked the link and got Cordelia Fine‘s book. It’s a great debunking of all the pseudo-science that has gone unchallenged for so long and gets rehashed and repackaged every few years. It’s funny, one critic actually said it was too “scientifically-correct.” That’s a new one, being scientifically accurate is a flaw now?

    @Sugarpuss
    Such a great point. That’s why men have had time to contemplate their navels and become philosophers and writers and artists and then have the gall to say there are no Great Women in history. If women had that free time and access to education, imagine how much more advanced our civilization would be. Women’s housework and childcare is always considered “non-work.” Imagine if you had to hire someone to clean your house, cook your meals, do your laundry and dishes and baby sit your children full-time? That would cost anyone a fortune, but men have being getting it for free for centuries. And now that’s not enough, women have to work full-time jobs and still take care of all the housework and childcare.

    And even with these burdens, women and girls are starting to outperform men in almost every single aspect of higher education to the point it’s being considered a ‘crisis’ for men and boys. But they shouldn’t fret, because even with a higher degree, women will still make less than men with a high school diploma.

  40. Hecate October 1, 2011 at 12:30 PM #

    Interesting, gracemargaret. That last bit of your post reminds me of what Valerie Solanas said about ‘Great Art’ in her SCUM Manifesto Not everything men come up with is really all that great, in spite of the tremendous blocks of free time they have been granted thanks to free female home care labor. I’m thinking perhaps some folk simply feel pressured to say that male output is fantastic, because in fact it’s just the opposite, and men generally bully people into massaging their egos and greatly exaggerating their accomplishments.

    Recently, an ex got angry with me when he pointed at a baby when we were on a walk and wanted to know if I thought it was ‘cute.’ By that, I think he also meant infants in general. I couldn’t help but react with a very sour expression. Sure, babies are adorable. But the sacrifices women alone have to make for them alas, are not. I just can’t help but be brutally honest with men. They hate it, but it’s the only way I can live with myself. If more women were true to themselves, it truly would reverse the course of civilization and thrust us pretty quickly into a more evolved way of life.

  41. lizor October 2, 2011 at 7:42 AM #

    “If more women were true to themselves, it truly would reverse the course of civilization and thrust us pretty quickly into a more evolved way of life.”

    Yes it would.

  42. Hecate October 2, 2011 at 11:29 PM #

    :) “What a wonderful world it would be.”

  43. jimbo702 October 4, 2011 at 4:46 PM #

    @gracemargaret – “That’s a new one, being scientifically accurate is a flaw now?”

    Yeah, in the same way wealth is a virtue. :-)

  44. gracemargaret October 13, 2011 at 10:41 AM #

    Has anyone seen the new Dr. Pepper ad for a diet drink for men? The tagline is “It’s Not For Women.” Here is some of the copy from the print ads:

    23 Flavors. Just 10 Manly Calories.

    “We wanted to sell to women but our scientists say this formula will cause ovaries to grow feet.”
    “Women shouldn’t be drinking soda, they should be in the kitchen making me a sandwich.”
    “Vaginas are icky.”
    “Want a sip of my Dr. Pepper? GROW A PENIS.”
    “No Harpies Allowed.”

  45. isme October 14, 2011 at 9:47 PM #

    @gracemargaret

    I’ve seen that, via a discussion about how some people (women) shouldn’t have blogs if they complain about stuff like that.

    As an aside, is there a phrase for the dismissal of something as not being sexist, if you can find something similar (or worse) somewhere else?

    It doesn’t, IMHO, fall under “Don’t talk about X cause Y is more important”, because that at least recognises that Y is important, people were citing, IIRC, Yorkie bars with their “no girls allowed” advertising to prove that such advertising is a non-issue.

    I only mention it because it’s not the first time I’ve seen it, though I’ve not seen any discussion of it as an MRA formula.

  46. Rian October 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM #

    As an aside, is there a phrase for the dismissal of something as not being sexist, if you can find something similar (or worse) somewhere else?

    Maybe the “two wrongs make a right” fallacy?

  47. isme October 15, 2011 at 5:31 PM #

    “Maybe the “two wrongs make a right” fallacy?”

    That would involve admitting that both were, on their own, wrong, though.

  48. gracemargaret October 15, 2011 at 7:45 PM #

    @isme,
    Well, it’s definitely a silencing tactic. I don’t know if there’s a specific term for it, but it’s something like what some husbands say to their wives, “Hey, at least I don’t BEAT you like other men.” Like the bar is so low that if a guy is slightly nice to you or simply doesn’t beat the crap out of you, you have no right to complain about anything. And should be overwhelmed with gratitude for that ‘privilege’

    I don’t know if you’re familiar with the biologist and atheist activist Richard Dawkins, but he pulled this on fellow skeptic and atheist activist Rebecca Watson. She talked about sexism in the atheist/skeptic community in a conference. Then she made a video after the conference where she talked about various things, including being propositioned in an elevator at 4am by a complete stranger who was at the conference,. This comment was all of maybe 30-60 seconds of the ENTIRE video. She said it made her uncomfortable, since she had made it clear to her friends she was going straight to sleep and how she wasn’t open to such propositions. She just said, “guys, don’t do this.” And that’s all she said about it. Then thanked all the people at the conference and said it was a great experience.

    Well, Mr. Dawkins flipped out at this and wrote a series of sarcastic comments on a popular blog basically saying in so many words that she had no right to complain about this since Muslim women are being mutilated genitially and weren’t allowed out of the house by their husbands. And Dawkins was on that panel where Rebecca said she regularly received rape and death threats from fellow skeptic/atheist men. And this has created such a stir it’s now referred to as “Elevatorgate”. You know, like Watergate, where people actually committed illegal activities. There are a bunch of hate sites dedicated solely to bashing Rebecca now. She’s received even more hate mail because of this and people are asking her to be fired from her job at skepticsguide for, among other things, “being such a cunt “ If you google Rebecca or look her up on you tube, you‘ll see what I mean

    Back to that Dr. Pepper 10 ad, on the Facebook page, there are shooting galleries for men to target all girly/feminine things. Women aren‘t allowed to join. And now women are being threatened with (can you guess?) rape for complaining.
    Just amazing.

  49. isme October 16, 2011 at 12:46 AM #

    “I don’t know if you’re familiar with the biologist and atheist activist Richard Dawkins”

    Yeah, I’ve seen some of the fallout from that, usually cited as an alternative to women just being stupid and treacherous for not immediately jumping on board with the male atheist movement.

    “Back to that Dr. Pepper 10 ad, on the Facebook page, there are shooting galleries for men to target all girly/feminine things.”

    And it happens to be Domestic Violence Awareness Month in the US as well. Yes, it wouldn’t make it ok to have started this thing next month, but they could at least put up a pretence.

  50. Sugarpuss October 16, 2011 at 10:15 PM #

    “We wanted to sell to women but our scientists say this formula will cause ovaries to grow feet.”
    “Women shouldn’t be drinking soda, they should be in the kitchen making me a sandwich.”
    “Vaginas are icky.”
    “Want a sip of my Dr. Pepper? GROW A PENIS.”
    “No Harpies Allowed.”

    I’ve always suspected that most “straight” men are secretly homosexual; this pretty much confirms my suspicions. What I don’t understand is why they refuse to admit it. Oh, but of course, openly gay men are also worthy of contempt. Honesty isn’t considered a male virtue; the true measure of a “real man” is how many people they can successfully deceive in their pathetic lifetime; I personally believe this is the motivation behind homophobia. Gay men are just being truthful about what they like, whilst the faux-straights prefer to engage in elaborate games of deception, but those “evil fags” ruin it for them…

    Actually, they ruin it for themselves when they openly profess their hatred for People With Vaginas. This is not the language of men who are legitimately attracted to women, that’s for sure. Men anger me beyond description, and sometimes I wish they were all dead… but you’ll never hear me say something like “Cock is icky”.

    ‘Cause, ya know, I’m straight for reals. ;)

  51. Kara October 22, 2011 at 3:22 PM #

    Why can’t *you* be President of the United States. Then I’d be happy :)

  52. tinfoilhattie November 28, 2011 at 9:20 AM #

    Skidmark people! With whom we can’t reason! They can’t see past their own feet…assuming they can see their feet at all.

    LOL! Because FAT, amirite? Those fatties, they can’t wipe their asses! Hur hur hur!

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