If your kindergartener’s ass isn’t hot enough, Skechers can help.

30 Apr

Ever since the the early 90s when they began pumping out “skate shoes” and those ridiculous high-heeled sneakers, I’ve been wondering who the hell is buying Skechers. They seem to have a storefront in every town in America and an astronomical ad budget, but I can’t remember ever having known anyone who has owned a pair or even seeing anyone wearing them. According to the Wikipedia entry on the company, the CEO founded Skechers after jumping ship on the LA Gear brand, which ought to make a lot of sense to anyone who remembers LA Gear. What makes less sense, however, is the claim that Skechers started out making “skate shoes.” Having grown up in San Diego at the dawn of the skate brand era and surrounded by skateboarders, I can aver that not one skateboarder in town owned a pair of Skechers. In fact, I’m pretty certain that a kid showing up at a skate spot sporting a pair of Skechers might have suffered an ass-kicking, and would at a minimum have had to endure extremely vocal opprobrium. As such, Skechers made a real impression on me as a teenager as yet another dorky brand whose marketing directors were trying to latch onto a sub-culture they had no understanding of and were putting out a product that ended up being nothing but a mark of poseurdom. I know, I’m a dork for having had an opinion about a shoe brand and its relationship to illegitimate claims to skateboarderism, but whatever. I was a teenager with pretensions to punkness and Skechers were the Airborne of shoes.

The company quickly gave up on making skate shoes and moved on to producing a full line of footwear featuring boisterous iridescent accents and marshmallow soles, and I continued to wonder where they were making their money. Was every single person east of I-15 and west of I-95 wearing Skechers unbeknownst to me? I’m still mystified, though I didn’t really care one way or the other about Skechers until the recent launch of their Shape-Ups™ and Tone-Ups™ lines. For those of you who have managed to avoid hearing about Shape-Ups™, they are sneakers that curve up at the heel and toe, thus creating a constant instability that purportedly causes the leg and butt muscles to contract as one walks around. Despite the fact that they don’t work, look ridiculous, and have the potential to cause injury, Skechers has put considerable cash into advertising for the line, including for a Super Bowl ad featuring Kim Kardashian (who the beans is Kim Kardashian and why should I know her name?).

These shoes, apparently, have such a drastic effect on one’s physique that they can replace a personal trainer/boot-knockin’ partner, all for under $100. So Kim Kardashian, despite rumors that she works out several hours a day and only eats calorie-free superfoods imported from Jupiter, in reality just wanders around a mansion in hot pink-accented sneakers. But you don’t have to be a rich, famous (for some fucking reason) sex symbol to benefit from Tone-Ups™. Regular models wear them too.

As annoying as these shoes and their attendant ad spots are, they’re nothing new. “Hey, we know you hate your _____ because we’ve been screaming at you from magazines, billboards, television, movies, and porn since the day you arrived on Earth that you should, but we’ve got the solution! Buy our newest product, and this time it will work and you’ll be a slightly less worthless human being!” At this point, the fuckability industry’s attempts to ensure its ongoing profits at the expense of women’s relationships with themselves and their bodies are so redundant and obvious that many feminists don’t even bother to call attention to them save in particularly egregious cases. These ads, while plenty offensive and retch-inducing, aren’t really all that noteworthy as beauty industry ads go, but there’s more. While watching a little Spongebob last week, I happened to see this ad for Shape-Ups™ for girls:

The laser-like focus on the ass isn’t as prominent in the ad for the girls’ version, but what else is the point of these shoes supposed to be? No one has ever made the claim that they help burn calories in general. Nor are the shoes offered for both girls and boys, despite the fact that all of the kids in the US could use more exercise to counteract the “food” industry’s attempt to turn us all into diabetic corn syrup addicts. The adult model of the shoe is marketed specifically to women, specifically for improving one’s gluteal beauty-mandate adherence, and the girls’ model is no different. Female children want to emulate their adult female role models, and if their adult female role models are concerned with the shape of their asses enough to buy Shape-Ups™, then those girls will get the impression that they ought to do so as well. Why does a female child need a pear-shaped ass? Why should a little girl think about her butt at all? Why would a girl want a gaggle of boys wearing junk food costumes to follow her around and stare at her behind?

The sexualization of female children becomes more audacious at every turn, as do the attempts by the beauty industry to reach into the psyches of ever younger female children and foment a paralyzing sense of inadequacy and worthlessness that can only be partially assuaged by spending money in an endless and fruitless quest for a respite from self-hatred. Please take a minute to contact Skechers and tell them it isn’t cool, that not only do adult women not need to obsess over how hot men think their asses are, but that it’s also disgusting and immoral to sell the idea to female children that they ought to be doing so.

87 Responses to “If your kindergartener’s ass isn’t hot enough, Skechers can help.”

  1. DancesWithCats April 30, 2011 at 2:28 PM #

    You’re on a roll! This is awesome.

  2. Rachael April 30, 2011 at 3:01 PM #

    I think the boys following her in junk food costumes are supposed to somehow symbolize her moving on to a healthier lifestyle. Now that she’s got these AWESOME new shoes, she’s exercising more not eating any of that nasty stuff that will make her fat! So although the commercial doesn’t explicitly say that these are for weight control, the implication is there–which makes it all the more disturbing. It’s never too early to make sure they’ll grow up to be fuckable, I guess.

  3. Hecate April 30, 2011 at 3:21 PM #

    Thank you ND, for addressing this issue with a sense of urgency. Living in a commodified culture, many people don’t see the harm it inflicts. Indeed, girls do not need prepubescent jizz bags ‘wearing junk food costumes’ following them around. Being a teenager is enough of a horror show without messages like these assaulting them. As harmless as it may seem to some audiences, it does set up an expectation that men should prey on young girls because they have ‘height and bounce!’ to their derrieres, as opposed to simply acknowledging them as human beings.

    ‘Height and bounce?’ How about striving for intellectual ‘heights’ and street smart ‘bounce?’ That’s more the kind of message I’d like to see targeted at girls. Get smart and defend yourselves from sleazebags in the process. And if you see a boy who appears in any way disrespectful, use those new sneakers for running like hell in the opposite direction. And if possible, choose something in a neutral hue. The more neutral a girl/ woman is in general, the more difficult it is to pin her down or pigeonhole her, thus also making it difficult to victimize them as being part of the gender equation that is seen as ‘weaker’ or fair game. Having said that, I am not saying that women are responsible when men do misbehave around them, no matter what they are wearing. Personally, I find my life is easier when I am less transparent and make it difficult for anyone to tell just who I am exactly. Though I did once have a silly t-shirt with a pink ‘Parasite Pal’ on it :D

    Of course, some women and girls still would rather act/ look like Pamela Anderson in that stoopid film ‘Barbwire,’ in which she says, dressed as a Barbie and with all the conviction of a 5-year-old “Don’t call me babe!”

  4. Hecate April 30, 2011 at 3:31 PM #

    Also, it’s very twisted the way these ads infantilize women and ‘sexualize’ young girls, as ND points out. I suppose the ad industry occasionally has ‘man boys’ out there selling product, but it’s not with the same intent. The former takes the control away from females and how they are seen in society, whereas the latter is really just about clueless bachelor men who don’t want to grow up.

  5. Hecate April 30, 2011 at 3:41 PM #

    Sorry, not trying to clutter up the board here ;) But way hey! Here are the shoes I want! They’ve got a coil in the heel, so I can ‘leap tall buildings (and stoopid males) in a single bound’ in the city while getting around to do my errands with incredible spring in my step, and apparently lower-back relief.

    https://shoes.zcoil.com/listFootwearSizes.cfm?int_FootwearID=19

    If anyone has links to similar industrial, crazy space-age and useful shoes, I’d love to see them!

  6. OutsideLookingOver April 30, 2011 at 3:56 PM #

    Done. A sense of decency begs a re-think on this sort of product.

  7. Boner Killer April 30, 2011 at 9:33 PM #

    These ads are ridiculous, as is the product. Marketers have honestly dissected and criticized almost every part of a woman’s body. What’s next “How do have sexier ears! Don’t let those ears droop!” or “Tired of that tongue?” seriously.

    I also agree with your analysis of the children’s shoe ad…why the hell would female children need or desire to care about how their butt looks to other people? Patriarchy training or what. It’s out of control thanks to mass marketing that exploits everything and everyone for financial gain – who cares if girls grow up feeling they need to behave and look a certain way, companies like Sketchers make money. So sad…so very sad.

    Happy to see you are back!!!

  8. maggie May 1, 2011 at 6:35 AM #

    Re the ears thing. I read about some dood who didn’t date older women because their ears were bigger. So expect some time soon ear reduction surgery for that ever youthful (fuckable) look.

    Porn has well and truly saturated our society right down to kindergarten. Women are controlled from every angle. Females are supposed to look pretty from the day and hour they were born.

  9. Ren May 1, 2011 at 10:19 PM #

    Owns a pair of sketchers, non shape up or tone up kind…basic black simlar to “Van’s” (if anyone remembers those), VERY thick sole-pad thingy on the inside, recommended to me by my doctor when my back went south- and I will have to say they have helped with that- and anything that helps with that I love unconditionally.

    I also think that Joe Montana, a former NFL star, does commercials for the male version of these tone up kind of shoes, though he MAY be slinging the Reebok version- I can’t remember.

    But marketing this shit to GIRLS just…urggghhh…no disagreement from me on that one at all.

  10. joy May 1, 2011 at 11:21 PM #

    Let me just say that

    “foment a paralyzing sense of inadequacy and worthlessness that can only be partially assuaged by spending money in an endless and fruitless quest for a respite from self-hatred”

    is a perfectly eloquent and succinct summary of advertising’s goals, and also what I keep in mind whenever I think about (or end up going) shopping.

  11. isme May 2, 2011 at 1:00 AM #

    “Hey, we know you hate your _____ because we’ve been screaming at you from magazines, billboards, television, movies, and porn since the day you arrived on Earth that you should, but we’ve got the solution! Buy our newest product, and this time it will work and you’ll be a slightly less worthless human being!”

    Well said.

  12. lizor May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM #

    @ joy and isme. Yes! Those two quotes! And Hecate, thanks for the z-coil tip.

    Sketchers – or however you’re supposed to spell it, ripped this invention from a company called MBT which developed the first instability shoes to encourage correct SKELETAL ALIGNMENT – and are marketed to both men and women. They are comparable, but not the same as Japanese tengu-geta. They work really well if you have core stability enough to wear them. They only affect your butt to the extent that it may be misaligned – from say wearing stupid high heels that force you out of alignment, make you clutch with your calf muscles (“improving” their shape – if you like visually consuming other people’s calves) and make you stick your ass out behind you. That’s why high heels hurt your body so much. They literally destabilize your core structure and train you live in a compensation pattern. (Oh the rich metaphor!)

    So when you wear instability shoes, you will often feel soreness in your hips/pelvis area as it is brought back into alignment. Ironically, the shoes bring your hips in under you and over your feet where they are supposed to be, so someone who is walking around like some burlesque star with her bum stuck out behind her will end up walking more like a human than a horny porn-bot.

    I guess sketchers jumped on the bandwagon, knowing that people will feel some soreness and instantly buy into the “hotness improvement” spin. How gross.

    I did not know about these vile ads but now know why people kept slyly asking about my ass every time I wear my MBTs.

    This post rocks. The shoes, I think are not as well designed as the originals. I hope everyone ignores this fucking company. I am going to write and complain about these insulting ads. Thanks for the heads up.

  13. lizor May 2, 2011 at 1:23 PM #

    @Hecate – Have you seen the Five-fingers? They kind of rock. A friend of mine likes to wear them with his kilt.

    http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/index.htm

  14. Hecate May 2, 2011 at 8:41 PM #

    Thanks lizor :) Yes those Vibrams are interesting. Those, along with something like Z-Coil, may not be sought out by your average fashionista. But that’s fine by me! The superpowers we are looking for in shoes are exactly what you describe – comfort and strength through proper alignment.

    I am ashamed to say that I was overly concerned with fashion when I was younger, and so bought some crazy high platform boots. They threw my back out literally within the first 20 minutes of wearing them. So out they went in the trash and I resolved never to make such a stupid purchase ever again.

  15. Val May 3, 2011 at 9:59 AM #

    I just splurged on a pair of Vibrams in my quest to rehabilitate my poor flat, degenerating feet…
    Too soon to tell, although I now have new pains extending down towards my R heel, perhaps that’s progress as the muscles reawaken?
    I often find myself sputtering in impotent fury at some misogynistic pop-culture piece of flotsam – a video clip, a song, or a commercial – yet I can’t express myself coherently to my 12-yr old son… Helpful hints welcome!

  16. Crucial D May 3, 2011 at 11:46 AM #

    I wear Earth shoes which have a negative heel. They have eliminated my lower back pain. I know they’ve been around since the 70′s but it seems only recently that Earth has made the claim, “Burn more calories with each step!”

  17. lizor May 3, 2011 at 3:52 PM #

    Yeah, I saw that negative heel shoes are now being rebranded as “hotness enhancers”. The world just gets dumber and dumber- as evidenced by our federal election results today. We have just given a Bushite Conservative with a cabinet full of criminals and THREE recent counts of contempt of parliament a majority. And we just got our own version of Fox news network!

    FTR – I wrote to Skechers and got this letter from them:

    Dear Customer

    We want to let you know that we recently received your concerns about our recent ads. We sincerely apologize if you found the content offensive in any way, and will make a point to share and discuss your specific concerns with our team.

    At SKECHERS, we know that customers like you are the ultimate endorsers of our product ? and we truly value your opinions on our campaigns. We want you to feel confident standing behind our brand, and understand that an important part of that is developing marketing that is true to what you expect from our company.

    Again, thanks for your input on our recent marketing efforts ? and for sharing your opinions so that we can continually improve our brand.

    Thank you,

    Edith

  18. Jane May 3, 2011 at 9:43 PM #

    That’s nothing, the latest ‘let’s turn young girls into bunnies pedo cult style’ is the ‘padded bra bikini for little girls’

    yep, check this out, won’t be shocked in the least when they begin to market bdsm clothing for second graders, because ya know it’s just So empowering and all, PUKE

    [welcome to the cutsie raping girls club culture, aided by none other than numerous stupid cutsie bunnie women, Sad to say, but it So needs to BE SAID]

    http://edition.cnn.com/2011/BUSINESS/03/26/abercrombie.bikini.controversy/index.html

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/padded-bikini-tops-young-girls-pulled-uk/story?id=10372117

    you Are aware, that Canada, legislation, had recent debate, now that pedophilia will be a ‘by birth normal thing’ and therefore should not be penalized, no joke, it’s here,

    pedophilia a sexual ‘orientation’,

    and of course, it’s cultural relativism and HEY, the global capitalist market, will just Eat this up–why it will be a whole new market to exploit. I can just see it now–if the Prom dresses are Any indication–Frederick’s of Hollywood anyone? Because ya know, the whole Sunset Blvd look is just Sooooo hip and cool this season,

    that was bad enough–having had to look at pages of images with my teen daughter who even She has the sense to see how ridiculous these dresses are, the message they send–hell why even Bother with clothes, why not just walk around with a mattress chained to your ass,

    and my other daughter informs me of the Children’s Halloween costumes, can we say,

    Child Prostitutes R US?

    When Teens see it–you KNOW it’s bad, REALLY BAD, it’s Way beyond subtle sexualization, hell the corporation’s aren’t even hiding their tactics anymore,

    this is not just PORN CULTURE, THIS IS PEDO CULTURE WE ARE SEEING–and the target consumer is little girls,

    and much of it, is being done Right on children’s cartoon viewing networks, kid you not. It’s subtle but it’s so there…children are no longer FREE to grow up with AUTONOMY TO CONSENT AND GROW INTO THEIR OWN YOUTH ADULTHOOD, oh no,

    that’s been robbed from them–which in my strong opinion is a form of mental Rape in it’s own right, no, marketer’s and media are programming, mind-indoctornation, children into compliant idols, I mean Dolls, conformed to early sexuality, passive of course, to girls that is, in clever ways–forced conformity to peer pressure as well as to none other than ADULT MENZ

    what’s worse, is just how Few are actually seeing this unfold–it’s like some Orwellian nightmare.

    Except–it’s real, bunny farm and all, carrot bait, now where’s the slaughter house eh?

    jane

  19. joy May 4, 2011 at 1:38 AM #

    In libertarian and some uberliberal (and fun/libfem) circles, pedophilia has long been recognized as an inborn trait that the poor dears (meaning men) just can’t help. Also, that it wouldn’t be a crime if our prudish society stopped limiting the sexual expression of children, who are obviously sexual beings!

    All great messages for a molestation survivor to hear, let me tell you.

  20. joy May 4, 2011 at 1:38 AM #

    And by “recognized” I mean “justified.”

  21. Jane May 4, 2011 at 3:20 PM #

    Joy you nailed it, this is well, it was the beginning of the unraveling So much of the RA in my life–when I saw this with my own eyes in the Socialist party I was in, at the time, and the culprits, who were PRAISING this shit,

    WOMEN.

    I WAS SHOCKED…it was during the pre-conventions, of numerous left parties, including the Democratic Socialists [at this time they were working on of course preparing for Obama, before he became public], anyhow–one huge party in CA, that also is one of the forerunners or speakers that Advocates for the legalizing of prostitution, so much for that whole damn end of worker’s exploitation and Solidarity and all that–at this same time, many were [menz] getting in bed with Islam, esp with groups in Europe–come to find out, they were Nazi’s, now posed as Reds, that are also Very misogynist–but with a nice twist–they are pro-Pedophilia, tied in with that whole mess in Holland, with NAMBLIA–anyway, so I STARTED seeing tons of these connections, but when I addressed them of course it was brushed off. This was at same time I was hanging out on one rad fem blog, when I brought up that women too can be pro-rape, pedophilia, I was landblasted [never mind I AM A SURVIVOR OF] and told that I was support of men, etc., which I knew was total bullshit,

    needless to say, this blog was being colonized by patriarchal supporting types including numerous Islam supporters [because you see it's perfectly legal in numerous sects of Islam to marry very young girls] but anyway…this is why so many left menz Love the whole Islam and hate any kind of religious morality that condemns pedophilia–all that hate of Israel and all that, is just a fucking cover–

    in the West that is, what it really boils down to, is these men want legal license to rape at will, to rape children at will, without ANY condemnation whatsoever, a society where lawlessness rules–and women and children are just cum dumps to be taken at will. These agenda’s are in the atheist camps [evo psychology], the socialists [both Nazi's and Leftists], the liberals, and what is deemed as this so called POST MODERNISM…

    now what’s Funny is that this is the ONE AREA the right wing cons are correct–EXCEPT, NOW they too, have their little branches of pedo support–so women won’t find safety there either, in fact spiritual abuse in religion [what Truly is the religion of Ancient Babylon, no joke--I HAVE ENOUGH PROOF NOW TO PUT OUT THERE], and ancient Rome, is now full blown growing in churches, with the whole Venus temples and Ishtar and the whole shabang–women and girls, are simply cum dumps, incubators, for de ‘gods’, or ‘menz’ and of course, to be traded, as commodities [trafficked], sacrificed in rituals, for the payment of GOLD, SILVER AND OF COURSE, GREEN BACKS

    and all wrapped up in sports and gambling–more PREDATOR FUN FOR DE MENZ CLUB OF THE OLD BOYS SCHOOL–GREECE, ROMULUS, BABYLON, ETC.

    AND WE ARE BEING ‘GROOMED’ FOR THIS

    kid yourself not–and it is from the STAR OF THE EAST, so to speak–the occult–connections, in government, tied into the Eastern revolutionary groups, aka Cummunism [not communism but Cum-munism], IT IS NOT ABOUT RIDDING OF ‘CAPITALISM’, that was the lie–it is about creating a one world FEUDALISM like ancient Sumer–Babylon, with women in temples, sacrificed, GENETICS…for the control of population [culling] and creating master races [where the whole NAZI thing comes in--all tied into also ancient orient occults]

    this shit is REAL, it’s not t.v., it’s not X file, it is real. And it’s all tied into the Eastern Star [star as in Dragon, that red star of Macy's, no joke], that star on our flag, that star on numerous flags…has meaning–

    that goes Way back. To the ancients, UR, Chaldea. IT IS ILLUMINATI–now as far as the conspiracies go, many of them are Twisted–blaming the wrong people or blaming certain groups–this is part of their plan.

    THEY HATE WOMEN, BECAUSE THEY HATE THE WOMB–except for the women who support them–but they HATE THOSE WOMEN TOO. WHO CONTROLS THE WOMB CONTROLS THE SEED CONTROLS THE WHOLE SOCIETY–MASS ‘SLAVES’

    this is WHY they are pedos, because the YOUNGER the women are, the easier to break their independent THOUGHT PROCESS, to rip their soul away from the SPIRITUAL IN NATURE–[see movie Golden Compass, there is a LOT of truth in that], to render them incapable of decision==

    these same women, soul splintered, will not be capable of connecting to children born, due to DETACHMENT, and sacrificing these children to the war and blood gods for feasting will not even faze them because they were products of rape–

    this is a blood dinner being prepared, on a scale that is nightmarish. We’re talking HELL levels here

    these boys born, will be the perfect genetic soldier make up–who won’t ask, think or feel anything other than what the cyber borg tells them–THE PERFECT SOLDIER

    to go against WHO?

    The space station, is key–

    we are being groomed, slowly for a warfare, that is not what we are accustomed to. This is what I fear, though it sounds Very unbelievable–but never say never–there are times I think–what I am seeing, is just unthinkable,

    but I’M seeing way too many connections, and maybe I’M supposed to, to warn–don’t know, but I SEE THEM, and they are coming in like a flood. Women are in dire danger–they just don’t know it yet,

    Firestone, Shalasmith, wrote a book, Dialectic of Sex, that promotes child rape, near the end, it’s horrid…that was also what I saw, why I got OUT of far left politics. They are NOT separate from the Nazi’s, they joined forces, after WWII–I know this for a fact,

    on upper levels that is–key, South America, our nation hid/transferred numerous Nazi agents to safety in SA–they tortured/experimented on Thousands, mostly women, poor–

    they Still are–also, the experiment in psychiatry, and the CH’UR’CH, is a HUGE FRONT, and I do mean HUGE,

    front. This is why the Dominion movement is tied in to the whole thing–and then those women who leave, from the years of spiritual abuse/rape, are then lured into psychiatry, they KNOW their techniques from YEARS of experiments done on children, women, prisoner’s of war–that’s how they know HOW the brain works–

    they are not friends, by no means–it’s mind control on levels that are just unreal–it’s in our education, our media, our sports, our consumption, advertising is huge part of–how all those work to influence the desires, how our brains work,

    why they use lighting, electrical waves, sound…and it’s All military studies/experiments, all of it.

    IT was a race for power–who will control it all, it’s tied into banking, GOLD, gold is used in electronics and in space–it’s plentiful IN space but you need water–key,

    women too are key, something to do with the dna, why the TSA scanners, that are more powerful than X-Rays, they aren’t looking for terror things–not even…

    this all sounds crazy, I know, but it’s not. And it’s no coincidence, that trafficking, sex slavery of VIRGINS, was begun, by none other, than MILITARIZATION

    now I am speaking up–what God warned about, in OT, IS TRUE…those people, slaves of that epoch, wrote and told–to warn,

    this is WHY they’ve done all to destroy the records–WHY THE hatred, below all the other issues, you know, that is the key,

    there is something, they do NOT want us to know. Women by NATURE, hate the serpent–that is allegory, btw, it was to protect women,

    those WHO SEE–see because they are not part of the what ever it is,

    it’s tied into nature/geology, this is why Indigenous peoples Do see it–why many marginalized do see it, many in West, don’t,

    they are descendants, of ROME. Spiritual that is–city on the hill, Hannah Ardent saw it, to some degree, warned about it–in Origins of Totalitarianism, and the Banality of Evil,

    but I DON’T THINK, she saw just how far extensive this goes–the Reich never died,

    it just, changed form.

    Jane

  22. Kelsey May 4, 2011 at 3:30 PM #

    Jane, can you link to/tell me where I can find a news article about the pedophilia legislation? I tried to search it on Google and came back with nada.

  23. Jane May 5, 2011 at 12:46 PM #

    Here ya go…there are NUMEROUS case examples including also, academia ‘science’ Experts, in Europe, who are working in legislation/INFLUENCE–to not only silence victims of child abuse, but in several cases it’s even ILLEGAL to claim rape, such as recent case in Denmark, because the rapists were Muslim [and in Islam raping infidels is yes LEGAL by their laws/state within state type of thing, like how some of the Mormon Fundies get by with the same here in the West, using this as example], and then the covering up by media–of the Disclosure by none other than Kinsey’s Victim [probably one of Many] who came forward with how he paid men to repeatedly rape her, causing ‘orgasm’s’ in child, for ready for this, STUDY ON SEXUALITY–to NORMALIZE/JUSTIFY pedophilia, I believe her testimony was that she was six years old at the time–well HERE is that one,

    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=213213

    YEA THE MEDIA/is hiding these little tidbits, of course, you have to find them on watchdog site’s, right or left or independent, and OF course those are dismissed because of the political polarity but you can then Do the research on court records or Journals [academic] and sure enough–THESE STORIES ARE TRUE,

    OK THE ONE ABOUT CANADA

    OTTAWA, Ontario, February 28, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) – In a recent parliamentary session on a bill relating to sexual offenses against children, psychology experts claimed that pedophilia is a “sexual orientation” comparable to homosexuality or heterosexuality, a definition that was questioned by one Member of Parliament who was present.

    Bill C-54, an Act to Amend the Criminal Code, seeks to increase or impose mandatory minimum penalties or punishment on sexual offenders of children for particular crimes.

    Parliamentary discussion on February 14 centered on the mandatory minimum imprisonment and how offenders respond to treatment. Dr. Vernon Quinsey and Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem, experts on the issue, were called to witness.

    “When we speak of therapy or when individuals get therapy and we feel as though everyone is pacified, the good news is often illusory,” said Van Gijseghem, psychologist and retired professor of the University of Montreal.

    “Pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small offence from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality,” emphasized Van Gijseghem.

    “True pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation. You cannot change this person’s sexual orientation.” He added, however: “He may however remain abstinent.”

    MP Serge Ménard later praised the witnesses. “Mr. Van Gijseghem and Mr. Quinsey,” said Ménard, “corrected some of our impressions.”

    However, MP Marc Lemay of the Bloc Quebecois challenged Van Gijseghem’s definition. “I have to admit that I was not expecting, on this Valentine’s Day, to be talking about this inappropriate type of love. It is not really love. It has more to do with violence and control. I am concerned, Professor Van Gijseghem … because you say, if I am not mistaken, that pedophilia is a sexual orientation.”

    “That is what I said,” continued Van Gijseghem.

    Lemay pursued the point, asking if it therefore should “be compared to homosexuality.”

    “Yes, or heterosexuality,” responded Van Gijseghem. “If, for instance, you were living in a society where heterosexuality is proscribed or prohibited and you were told that you had to get therapy to change your sexual orientation, you would probably say that that is slightly crazy. In other words, you would not accept that at all. I use this analogy to say that, yes indeed, pedophiles do not change their sexual orientation.”

    During his witness, Quinsey, professor emeritus of psychology at Queen’s University, said that pedophiles’ “sexual interests” “prefer prepubescent children.” “There is no evidence,” he said, “that this sort of preference can be changed through treatment or through anything else.”

    “You can manage the risk that sex offenders present – even pedophiles,” added Quinsey, “It’s not necessarily that they need to change their sexual orientation; they need to learn to control themselves, with our help.” “In my opinion, society and no one around this table will accept pedophilia, even if it is a sexual orientation,” said Lemay, “I recall a period, not too long ago, when homosexuality was treated as an illness. It is now accepted, society has accepted it … I cannot imagine pedophilia being accepted in 2011. You are telling me that even if we were to impose a five-year minimum on people it would not solve the problem. Once they get out of jail, they reoffend. That is worrisome.”

    One columnist in the Toronto Sun, Brian Lilley, expressed shock at Van Gijseghem’s testimony: “what really shocked me was the Universite de Montreal professor, Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem, who showed up to tell MPs pedophilia was a sexual orientation just like heterosexuality or homosexuality.” He argued that “it’s time to take our country back by ignoring the ‘experts.’”

    Contact information for Members of Parliament

    http://webinfo.parl.gc.ca/MembersOfParliament/MainMPsCompleteList.aspx?TimePeriod=Current&Language=E

    SEE SECOND REPLY

  24. Jane May 5, 2011 at 1:21 PM #

    If you look at the Pattern, across the board, you can connect the dots…this is a war being carried out through culture, using mind influencing through various mediums, to control the public into a Way of thinking, to normalize in their minds violence against women and children…

    desensitizing them and in doing so, drumming out the sounds of the screams of children being Sacrificed–

    exactly how they did it, the Phoencians [today's Rome], Babylonians, etc., back in B.C. and other’s, when they lit the furnaces of Molech and threw the children in–they would sound the drums very loud so that the parents could not hear the child scream–

    this is the passing of the fire, so to speak. Fire also represents sexuality, meaning passing them through ‘fire’ that they do not understand or are ready for–another form of sacrifice, to instill ‘altars’ in the minds that Control them–to be willing slaves,

    in the fields of sex slavery [bdsm esp because they are programmed to endure pain] therefore they can get Information from men that may be potential Threat to powers to be, this is how they keep control [it's the other form of Confessional]

    and the fields of war–creating perfect soldiers who will rape, mutilate, and kill on demand with NO conscious or love towards fellow human beings–

    the perfect Tool for the gods.

    IT’S a porgram–psychiatry and psychology are also two of the heaviest fields of utility for this–and the studies they also use,

    examples of this, one good one, is the Dr in Japan, during WWII, who tortured victims including children, operating on them while they were awake, our Gov kept those records as well as kept this monster alive

    for future use.

    The ‘so called conflicts’ between powers to be, are all MOCK ‘DRAMA’S’, the use of Plays, drama/comedy–to Fool the public into thinking they have the bests interest’s at heart–

    they do not–we are simply toy dolls to them, Pawns in a chess game, black and white — to be disposed of, for Their little war,

    King of North, King of South.

    Children–because they are young and not developed, are like ripe ‘fruit’, they are the ‘Seed’ so the use of Influence–by Powers to be, are misogynist in that they hate women–if they can colonize women of community then they win half of the battle–using the men to do so,

    but it’s the Children they are after–easier to Mold into form–and then train. Sexual trauma, creates brain damage–to where children never trust, they rely on the kindness/pain pattern, any kindness you see they learn but they have no root in themselves–

    because sexual trauma and other abuse destroys that root–in the dna/brain, wiring, etc., therefore removing the core of self, and replacing it with the influences, spiritual yes [or electronic, I'm researching this, electronic due to how brain waves work-sound-light rays, etc], or Both–

    with the control of the HANDLER…who ever or what ever that may be.

    When you look at the international as well as historical Cycles, you see the patterns…

    Jane

    Jane

  25. Andrew May 6, 2011 at 12:29 PM #

    For what it’s worth I think your dissection of the “fuckability industry” is spot on.

  26. Sarah May 8, 2011 at 8:57 PM #

    Oh, dear. The fact that they’re velcro shoes tells me that little girls should begin worrying about their fuckability before they begin worrying about how to tie their shoes. Good thing we’ve got our priorities straight!

  27. jimbo702 May 9, 2011 at 10:41 PM #

    Hi, Nine Deuce. you’re on point, as always. I’ve come to WP myself. Take care. – formerly syndicalist702, Jim, etc. etc.

  28. gracemargaret May 11, 2011 at 12:53 PM #

    Pedophilia can’t be compared to homosexuality, what complete bullshit. Being attracted to the same sex or opposite sex has to do with hormones and homosexuality is between consenting adults.
    Wanting to have sex with kids is the effect of living in a culture that makes power and powerlessness ‘sexy’. It has nothing to do with a biological attraction.

  29. skeptifem May 11, 2011 at 5:51 PM #

    I can’t help but wonder what the fuck these things do to one’s gait. All the insecure Utahn mormon women eat this shit up and have a weird stride while they walk around in these.

  30. Jane May 11, 2011 at 7:19 PM #

    Well Grace, it’s worse…actually, and what’ worse is that it’s being done right under our noses, so to speak, and Denial, is our biggest threat

    read carefully, this academic study, this is what the future children/women are up against

    http://sfu.academia.edu/EliseChenier/Papers/401874/The_Natural_Order_of_Disorder_Paedophilia_Incest_and_the_Normalising_Family

    how they are working to ‘justify’ as well as ‘normalize and legalize’

    an excerpt: In addition to these four motifs identified by De Young, other strategies include:

    * Value-neutral terminology is rcommended. According to Professor Gilbert Herdt, an anthropologist who has studied sex between adults and children in other cultures, pedophile advocates should replace “dull and reductionistic” terms like pedophilia and abuse when discussing sex between “a person who has not achieved adulthood and one who has.” Moreover, words like “child” or “childhood”, which have a psychologically developmental meaning, must be “resisted at all costs” This overall approach is sometimes termed framing, a procedure which places behaviors in a new context by shifting the terminology.

    * A particular aspect of the previous admonition is the need to redefine or restrict the usage of the term “child sexual abuse,” recommending a child’s “willing encounter with positive reactions” be called “adult-child sex” instead of “abuse.” …….

    read rest here: http://dyneslines.blogspot.com/2008/06/failure-of-propedophile-advocacy.html

    now, this IS one of the main reasons, that yes, the religious right [to some degree] have fought so hard against legislation…whether we concur with them or not,

    but–that aside, the fun feminist/bdsm/pornbot lot–has USED THAT PLATFORM [the right agenda] for the AMMO THEY NEED

    TO PUSH FOR THEIR PLATFORM

    and so we Do need to be aware, diligent and on watch…

    and, btw, numerous Socialist parties and one Communist party [Maoist] are 100% behind this garbage,

    of course, they are MEN–

    how I learned about this horror, and I haven’t shut up since,

    though, it Did get me purged from the party, I was deemed an irrational and hysterical woman

    obviously

    this is WHY they are in support of cultures and culture relativism that Legalize these crimes against female humanity,

    and, these assholes do NOT CARE–ABOUT THE DAMAGE THEY DO,

    not even. THEY ARE, TOTAL SCUM.

    Jane

  31. gracemargaret May 12, 2011 at 1:45 PM #

    One big patriarchal denier, Warren Farrell, a ‘father and chilren’s rights’ activist

    (who said in his book The Myth of Male Power: “If a man ignoring a woman’s verbal ‘no’ is committing date rape, then a woman who says `no’ with her verbal language but ‘yes’ with her body language is committing date fraud. And a woman who continues to be sexual even after she says ‘no’ is committing date lying…

    and

    “We have forgotten that before we began calling this date rape and date fraud, we called it exciting.” )

    was writing a book about how incest and pedophilia should be accepted by society (he eventually decided not to publish it). Here’s some exerpts from an OFF OUR BACKS article reporting on the
    1983 Congress of a U.S. National Sexologists’ Association where Farrell was a speaker:

    “Charles Moser and Warren Farrell both emphasized that most incest problems are caused by “treaters,” i.e. therapists cause problems where none exist. Moser claimed that “most incest cases have a loving nature” and that a daughter (in father-daughter incest) gets “special treatment” from the father. If the incest is found out, Moser says, the child may feel more co-conspirator than victim. He stated that it is traumatic for a child to divulge the details of the incest to strangers or to her mother who is, after all, “the other woman”. He stated also that incest is a symptom of a pathogenic (diseased) family, and that “pseudo incest families” exist which have all the problems of an incest family without the actual incest.

    I was uncomfortable, to say the least, with Moser’s analysis. Most incest problems are not caused by therapists; but a bad therapist can aggravate any problem. Undoubtedly the judicial system brutalizes rape victims — I wish that the system could be changed so that a child need only talk with a therapist, and if a court appearance is required that the child be represented by the therapist. The child should not have to detail the incest to her mother or any other relative unless she is willing and ready to do so. And yes, a child can be made to feel like a co-conspirator by her father, who may exhort her to keep “our little secret”. Can a child ever be a willing “co-conspirator” with her parent?

    Warren Farrell asked that his data not be reported until his book on the “Family Sex Debate” comes out next year. Tough, Warren.

    Farrell advocates the use of neutral words to talk about incest in order to leave room for both bad and good feelings around the situation. He calls incest “family sex” (sounds like a family outing at the swing club to me) and he prefers “incest participant” to “incest victim”. His term has the advantage of including both parties. Farrell interviewed “incest participants” and found that a significant percentage found the experience positive. These tended to be the adult males, who are “involved with” (rather than “who commit”) incest. I mean family sex. Language is confusing! Farrell makes incest sound innocent, bland, and harmless.

    Certainly, some incest victims (back to my language, where an unwitting victim is still a victim) have resolved their incest issues before entering therapy for other problems. And any good therapist allows a client to express all of her feelings, good and bad, about any situations. These factors do not make incest less of a trauma for the vast majority of cases.

    Farrell mentioned, but did not emphasize, that almost all of the girls involved in father-daughter incest (the most common type) found the experience very negative. His findings that many incest participants found the experience positive is skewed because it includes perpetrators as well as every kind of incest (including cousin-cousin, which is usually peer sex and not so comparable to other types of incest).”

    He was also interviewed in an article for Penthouse Magazine in support “positive” incest (not a link to Penthouse but to a feminist site):
    http://www.thelizlibrary.org/fathers/farrell5.htm

    “Despite some advertisments, calling explicitly for positive female experiences, Farrell discovered that 85 percent of the daughters admitted to having negative attitudes toward their incest. Only 15 percent felt positive about the experience. On the other hand, statistics from the vantage of the fathers involved were almost the reverse — 60 percent positive, 20 percent negative. “Either men see these relationships differently,” comments Farrell, “or I am getting selective reporting from women.””

    Ha.

  32. Hecate May 12, 2011 at 11:41 PM #

    Unfortunately, I think a lot of men use the same demented reasoning as this Farrell character. They are willing to flout all natural laws to get what they want. So no one ever told this genius that in fact, most animals are hardwired through pheromones to be repulsed by the smell of DNA that smells a little too familiar? Men just LOVE to claim rationality in justifying rape and all the atrocities they commit against nature. Perhaps then, we women are justified in rejecting men as unnatural lurkers and predators. I guess by this ‘reasoning,’ males not only want everyone, including children to be sex slaves, they want us all to be inbred too. That’s just fantastic. Go men! Their ‘intelligence’ manages to underwhelm every time. As long as they are in control of anything, we’re in a hell of a lot of trouble… Male – Your anti-evolution solution. Want your planet to disintegrate into nothingness quickly and conveniently? Call a man!

  33. M. May 13, 2011 at 1:07 AM #

    Somewhat related:

    On my local news channel today, a very short segment spoke about an 8 year old who received Botox injections to help her compete better in beauty pagents. This link talks about it:

    The little girl said, “It hurts, but I get used to it,” and I think that is very telling.

    What next–labiaplasty for kids? Will the world ever come to its senses?!

  34. Eneya May 13, 2011 at 3:52 AM #

    I love that they are called Sketchers… I eman it’s more than clear that they tried with honesty (Sketchy) and chickened out hald way trough.
    The same wayt Bratz are completely hones that they are just brats with untilellingent pluralising z at the end.

  35. isme May 13, 2011 at 8:37 AM #

    I can understand people who enjoy raping children to legalise raping children…but what possible reason could someone not sufficiently disturbed to do that have for supporting it?

  36. lizor May 13, 2011 at 12:17 PM #

    “a woman who says `no’ with her verbal language but ‘yes’ with her body language is committing date fraud”. So Farrell gets to be the arbiter of what a woman’s body is saying, over her own authority?

    Hmmm… I’d like to have a look at Farrell’s body and decide what it is “asking for” and then act on it. I’m SURE he’d be cool with that.

  37. Jane May 13, 2011 at 1:04 PM #

    Grace,

    yea, I only have ONE thing to say to ole Warren and ALL LIKE HIM,

    ‘fuck you’

    God that shit makes me so damn furious that I see blood, literally…

    and my perp–was a female, yes…females can and Do molest/rape children including mothers to daughters–it DOES HAPPEN…and is just as horrid–leaving one with a permanent mind fuck. We don’t ‘talk’ about it here in America because it’s not PC, including among rad fems…

    but Australia and Canada have addressed this issue, in both DV and in Incest-Child abuse, as well as Lesbian DV/Rape [those studies are out there]…

    after the molestation/violation, the first male to female sexual experience I had was an attempted rape–and not the last [and one actual rape]

    whether the incest-violation along with other abuse Groomed me to be ‘lured’ into this, many would debate, I however believe that YES, MOLESTATION/CHILD RAPE creates a mind indoctrination to be a future lure to other rapes and sexual violence–BECAUSE

    once BOUNDARIES of INTIMATE CONSENT are violated and MANIPULATED–then there is no true INNER CORE ‘CONSENT’ RADAR–THAT IS AUTONOMOUS,

    that has BEEN ROBBED–FOREVER, once that autonomy to Give by consent, INFORMED CONSENT, and to Receive, by Consent, has been violated by fraud, manipulation, brainwashing, violence, threats, intimidation–there IS NO OTHER FIRST TIME–

    that violation like a black cloud will Always be there because it just is, now yes one can Take back, autonomy, but it takes YEARS of work and untying the soul tie that comes with the ‘connection by fraud/violation/violence’.

    The ability to MAKE informed consent has Already been poisoned, like as with a Drug–over the MIND because the emotions have already been tampered with–This is what is so awful about child sexual abuse of Any form. Rather than allow the child [at their own pace] to grow into their sexuality and Choose for themselves by self exploration and with Equal partners by their own choosing, WHEN THEY ARE READY–and have FULL AUTONOMY to do so,

    the adult [male or female] violator of the child has literally ROBBED THAT ‘AUTONOMOUS FREE CHOICE’ FROM THE CORE SELF from that child–an Experience that Should be beautiful, maybe not perfect but beautiful in that it is the Child’s [when they are ready/teen, young adult, etc] OWN–EXPERIENCE

    not an EXTENSION of a warped and SELFISH adult’s experience of FANTASY–be it sexual lust or sexual power or obsession with power, playing ‘god’ over another soul.

    And it IS about soul–this is why I believe that victims [and they ARE victims] of sexual abuse have a difficult time in getting free because it’s NOT just a violation of ‘body’ or ‘consent’ but it’s a VIOLATION OF SOUL–

    on a level that is deep. ON A subconscious level

    and Perps don’t CARE–because as Malicious Narcissist’s they only care about feeding their own fantasy ‘mirror image of themselves’ through acting out, Raping, the ‘mirage of extension of their self’–

    it’s like, they see not the human soul of the child–unique, but a Doll, to be played with, put down, watching the doll go pee pee and blinking eyes–

    and then once they are done–they Toss the child Doll to the trash [if they haven't smashed the face, cut off the arms/legs and totally dismembered the child Doll] and Off to another Doll [child victim] they go,

    because to them, it has nothing to do with shared anything, they see NOT the soul in the child doll nor care too–in fact, They themselves, not only sexually abuse, they Create in their own ‘minds’ and ‘fantasy’ the ‘doll soul’ in their own warped image–

    and This is why—pedophilia is in fact, an ancient Occult practice, that has more to do with the Narcissistic playing ‘god’ over dolls–slave dolls–

    and why I think, we see So much of pedophilia in power ideologies, religion and patriarchal families–as well as in Other relationships where there is an emphasis on Power Dom to the Sub Doll. [or bunny or what have you--that Too goes back to ancient pedophilia/rape/bdsm occultism-cults--to the gods, goddess's, etc]

    the demi god or god wanna be’s and goddess wanna be too–are platforms, dangerous ones for these Rituals

    because to Be a god/goddess rep–one has to have Worshiper’s, and Dolls–Child Dolls, slaves [more for brutality and sadistic power where prostitution fits in] but with children,

    it’s those Dolls– the Sexual self is the core or one of the most private internal core selves–at least I think so–that is like an open door [kind of like how they use to read 'livers'], and when adults [and why Cults do this ritual abuse so much] usurp that child’s self to consent with self power, what they are Really doing is destroying that core self and replacing it with their OWN CREATION–EXTENSION OF THEIR NARCISSISTIC SELF–A PERMANENT STAIN–on the MIND–this is the handler–so no matter WHERE that child goes or what that child does–that permanent ‘god’ or ‘goddess’ stain on the mind–is that of the RAPIST/MOLESTER–and when that child grows up–has their own relationship, EVEN in consent with another adult-that Stain is still there–

    now TWO individuals are robbed, because the Individual in the interchange with the survivor of abuse, NOW HAS TO COMPETE WITH A ‘GHOST’, A ‘STAIN’ [stain on mind--ok, so not to be misunderstood] SO,

    there goes the electricity, power of negative pull–all caused by the Vampire sucking of sexual energy of none other than the Child rapist, molester–

    And of course, like the ancient Cult temples [occult] the monies get paid–to the Doctors, who then, mind healers, pay tribute to none other than the top strata–

    and expand on this and you can really see how the porn industry is all wrapped up in this, child porn/academic sex experts and military strategists [because break the human self core you can create perfect genetic soldiers, esp by creating broken DETACHED 'DOLL' WOMEN who will in turn detach from children/in societies where this is STRUCTURED ON HIGH LEVELS, SUCH AS SOCIAL ENGINEERING, THIS IS WHY ORPHANAGES ARE BEDS FOR SOCIAL-MIND CONTROL-SEX SLAVE/MONARCH EXPERIMENTS/ABUSE, etc.,

    The younger a child is Handled and ControlLed in the core soul self, Especially by a structured system of pedophilia abuse, THEN

    YOU HAVE THE PERFECT BREEDING GROUND--FOR THE MOTHER/FATHER STATE--TO CREATE

    THE PERFECT 'CLONE' SOLDIER, SLAVE AND SEX SLAVE--

    to none other, than to god-goddess-vanguard-Reich-elite-monarchy, etc.,

    STATE ORGANISM.

    Then you can control the entire human race--this of course on a systematic MACRO level,

    but I mention it because when you see a PUSH FOR TOLERANCE on a STATE LEVEL OF ANY KIND,

    for pedophilia

    there is FAR more going on,

    than just the pedo man on micro level, and THAT is what really needs to be paid heed too,

    not that we don't Do something about the individual men--or women for that fact [abusers] but to the System as a whole.

    This is why religious political systems that legalize/normalize child marriages ARE so damn dangerous,

    and why CULTURAL RELATIVISM to such is just as dangerous–

    not just to Women,

    but to whole society’s that ‘value’ Any type of freedom of individual liberty whatsoever.

    IF one supports losing soul to the Borg, then well–these systems would of course appeal to them. But they do not give security as promised,

    in fact–once they have Power, and replace self soul with Their soul, like the pedophile/abuser, with the Doll Child,

    they then–will Dispose of the Public Citizen Dolls,

    in the landfills,

    and simply,

    create

    more—and why Cloning/rape camps, are all apart of this As well.

    and when That arrives–they’ll kill off women like no other.

    Jane

  38. Jane May 13, 2011 at 1:15 PM #

    Grace, I’m glad you wrote–it triggered, but in a good way because I’ve been putting together,

    pieces of the puzzle, so to speak [with RA/OCCULT/BDSM-PORN-MILI-TAR-Y -- AS IN ISHTAR, ISH-TAR, society]

    and it’s beginning to Fit, the puzzle

    some of it, and it’s all over, the influences, to normalize this borg pedophilia/woman bloodletting society,

    in especially music industry.

    there is a connection there–because music/sound waves also work on alpha-beta-theta Waves of the BRAIN

    I’ll have to copy/post this on my blog, and work it into some of the other I’ve been seeing,

    or putting together–but IF my theory is correct, what they are attempting to Turn society into

    makes horror flicks tame–

    on Resident Evil levels, not kidding here–it IS a virus,

    and ‘humanity’ is the experiment.

    Jane [yea sounds crazy but that's my theory and I'm not the only one who is putting this together]

  39. Miss Andrist May 13, 2011 at 3:31 PM #

    Jane,

    I want to say, we think alike. But we don’t, we just see the same things.

    A graphical representation is needed. Connect the dots, la la la la. Tell me I’m wrong.

    And on a note related to THAT, I’ve been AFK thanks to work a lot lately. But then, I was talking to another prominent thinker / writer on her FB. Turns out a pro-rapist has made commercialized rape into a comic book. I thought, why don’t we exited women make a comic book? Same topic, same intent: tell the truth about commercialized rape. Er, prostitution. Include porn – bet we could get support from Shelley Lubben / Pink Cross, as I thought, why aren’t we jamming porn? Just add the victim’s thoughts in a bubble to whatever violently misogynistic scene. Granted we’d have to find somebody who could actually jam the shit without triggering, so – not me! But I know 9/2 has a relatively ironclad stomach… Ideally we’d be jamming with the narration of the participants themselves, hence Shelley Lubben / Pink Cross but just asking survivors to remember, even for this, can be very dangerous and frankly we’ve been harmed enough. That stated, I’d do it. I know a lot of others would probably be willing to try, too.

    Thoughts?

    -Miss Andrist

  40. gracemargaret May 14, 2011 at 12:46 AM #

    “I guess by this ‘reasoning,’ males not only want everyone, including children to be sex slaves, they want us all to be inbred too. That’s just fantastic. Go men!”

    @Hecate it’s pretty pathetic, yes? I would have posted this under 9/2′s great review of that James Cameron fantasy film, but is anyone familiar with the Holdfast Chronicles by Suzy McKee Charnas? It’s a futuristic novel series where everything we fear has finally happened…destruction of the environment, collapse of civilization, men putting (all) women into breeding/rape camps and ‘kit’ camps for children. Women of the wealthy are called Pets and allowed to live indoors.
    But there is rumour of an area outside the Holdfast of the Free Women, but it’s just a rumour…

    Charnas writes great sci-fi, horror and fantasy novels, ‘Holdfast’ is a feminist futuristic series that is getting closer and closer to reality. If you can go out and get it there are 4 books:
    Walk to the End of the World (1974)
    Motherlines (1978)
    The Furies (1994)
    The Conqueror’s Child (1999).

    Hey! Even misogyinist beat poet William S. Burroughs (who mistook his wife’s head for an apple and shot an arrow in it) gives it a rave review:

    “Only one science fiction book in hundreds manages to convince the reader that it ever could have happened anywhere, and at least that few are worth reading at all. In Walk to the End of the World, Charnas has created a future that is at once believable and fascinating.”

    Don’t let that throw you, he probably just liked the first part…
    http://www.suzymckeecharnas.com/biblio_holdfast.html#Slave

  41. gracemargaret May 14, 2011 at 1:03 AM #

    Also, great to see you back Miss Andrist. jamming porn and support form Shelley Lubben / Pink Cross is such a great idea. If I can help in any way please let me know.

  42. lizor May 14, 2011 at 11:11 AM #

    Yes, Miss A, please count me in.

    I am wondering about triggers that will short-circuit the wanker’s power/trip: sort of like how thinking of your parents having sex can put you off, or reminding guys of their daughters/mom’s or some such. I know this would fail in a lot of cases as so many men (as Jane’s posts and reports from prostitutes support) really want to stick it to their own daughters.

    I am total luddite when it comes to online, but can malware be written to mess with porn sites?

  43. Hecate May 14, 2011 at 2:51 PM #

    Thanks for the recommendation, Gracemargaret :) It makes it even more painfully clear that men may never let women alone to just be themselves. Clever of the author to take our current reality to the extreme. And really, we actually are pretty much there already.

    It has always been interesting to me that any woman with a brain defines freedom as the right to not be defined by males and their distorted idea of who they are. But freedom for men, is keeping women in chains and having them as ‘Pets.’ So putting men in a position to define freedom for society was just a rotten, dangerous idea from the start. It has been the bane of civilization, really.

  44. lizor May 15, 2011 at 9:40 AM #

    “any woman with a brain defines freedom as the right to not be defined by males and their distorted idea of who they are. But freedom for men, is keeping women in chains and having them as ‘Pets.’ So putting men in a position to define freedom for society was just a rotten, dangerous idea from the start. ”

    Oh yes oh yes.

    And the male definition of freedom is being assimilated to the extent that female “power” must fit into that narrowly defined “pets with privileges” configuration.

    An example I read yesterday: One of the new “breakthrough” films being celebrated at Cannes is called Sleeping Beauty; written, directed and produced by women, its about a young, thin, white, baby-faced (literally – the actress looks like a kewpie doll) female who CHOOSES to allow very old men to use her sexually while she is unconscious. Apparently this “use” is shown very graphically and frequently through out the film.

    It’s so depressing to see that the few women who gain some acclaim in the global film world must resort to taking standard fare porn scenarios (extreme female submission and degradation*) and serving them up “artfully” with a bit of backstory that makes the degradation the woman’s choice.

    The director says that the voyeuristic position of the camera in this film might not be voyeuristic, but rather “tender witnessing”. I guess that really depends on the viewer, but for my money that’s the most creative spin I have heard yet dudes having a wank.

    *whether it’s sex or some fantasy of the great white protector who must drive fast and kill people to save his wife and daughter or some other lie about men and their ethics.

  45. lizor May 15, 2011 at 9:41 AM #

    Sorry, that’s ‘FOR dudes having a wank.’

  46. Hecate May 15, 2011 at 1:26 PM #

    So true, lizor. “Pets with privileges” indeed. I am so grateful there are at least some women out there who see what’s really going on with laser vision. I long for a film in which the female lead is a stealthy predator, answering to no man and getting on with her own agenda. Funny, I live in the city and this morning, a huge, beautiful black crow landed on my fire escape, looking directly at me. Then she flew away (well I like to think it was a ‘she’ anyway!) This is more how I see female energy. Just its own amazing, creative, dark force. And I guess I mean dark, as in protective of itself and other life forms. Women are life itself, so they are a force in their own right.

    I don’t think males can ever be anything more than marginal. The sooner they accept that, the better off they’ll be. But as in your example, they stay in denial by continuing to put out mediocre bull crap. Too bad so many women believe the propaganda. And yes, I really hate that too – this idea of the woman ‘tenderly submitting.’ Isn’t it just so sweet, her total willingness to send herself to oblivion!

  47. No Sugarcoating May 16, 2011 at 11:16 PM #

    Could I link you on my new blog? I was inspired by you, and I wish Rage Against The Manchine was required reading!

  48. lizor May 17, 2011 at 10:08 AM #

    @Hecate

    Yup, I think that men’s marginality is something they know deep in the subconscious and it is a/the root of their need to control and dominate and destroy us.

  49. FrugalCat May 17, 2011 at 12:23 PM #

    I wear the damn things and I admit it! Not to perk up my ass or give me “shaplier” legs, but cause they are the only shoes that help my plantar facitis. I work 10 hours shifts on my feet, logging over 14,000 steps along the way. I don’t care how stupid they look and if anyone thinks I’m trying to become more fuckable. For less than $75 I can get a pair of shoes that last fairly long with reasonable care. Maybe Sketchys should market to foot problem sufferers.

  50. Hecate May 18, 2011 at 5:22 PM #

    Indeed lizor. If anything is lifeless and without meaning, you can be sure that a man created it.

  51. gracemargaret May 19, 2011 at 12:21 AM #

    If anyone pulls the “but in other cultures/centuries it was normal for girls to get married at age 15, 14 or younger” or “that is when a ‘woman’ is most fertile” so therefore we should lower the age of consent to middle school girl’s age (I’ve heard this argument from various men, even the enlightened liberal dudes)…Well, for one thing in Ancient Greece, Spartan women rarely married before the age of 20, which *significantly* lowered their maternal mortality rates. Girls in adolescence are still growing and don’t stop until at least 20. Carrying a child while still growing into adulthood takes an enormous toll on a girl that young. Hell, it takes a toll on grown women too. Childbirth has most likely been responsible for the death of more women and adolescent girls than any other single cause in human history.

  52. Eneya May 19, 2011 at 4:00 AM #

    Hecate, that’s just mean.
    There are more than plenty of women who create and put crap like that out and don’t give a flying fuck that it’s destroying lives. Being an ass is nto a gender thing, unfortunately.

    I am radical for some things in regards to feminism, but implying gender as a connection to character is a line I would not cross, because it’s just as bad as the people who use it to devalue women or to use/abuse them.
    It’s wrong to do it because thatn what’s the difference in our actions between us and them?

  53. Hecate May 19, 2011 at 11:44 AM #

    Well Eneya, if you expect some sort of apology from me… you’re not getting it. It’s no mystery to anyone here that I hate men. If you want to call me ‘mean’ for that, and feel as though you are the spokesperson for the poor wittle menz and their fragile egos being eaten by Hecate, fine. But if that’s the case, why are you even here? And I’ve never seen any posts from you that can be considered even remotely ‘radical’ or feminist. So you’d probably be better off heading off to a men’s rights activist site, being as you see yourself as the savior and patron saint of men.

    Finally, men use their gender as a weapon and have since the dawn of time. You don’t seem to get that men are exactly the ‘characters’ they are because they are the entitled gender in the social equation. And I can assure you, they’d attack you first for attempting to ever sever that connection. As for me, they are not even aware that such a man-hating creature exists, as most women (like you) are in adoring submission to them.

  54. No Sugarcoating May 19, 2011 at 12:09 PM #

    Eneya, Hecate means that men are socialized to have bad character, not that they are bad people because they are men.

    It’s not just as bad as the “people” who use it to devalue women and use/abuse them. Hecate doesn’t abuse men or deny them rights or bodily integrity even though she feels men are associated with bad things. We don’t have the power to do oppress them even if we wanted to.

    That’s the difference. For example, we don’t say that men have a natural instinct to rape, but lots of men say women have a natural instinct to want to be raped. Even if any feminist believes that men have a natural instinct to rape, that thought is not dangerous to men. Believing that women want to be raped is obviously dangerous for women though.

  55. Eneya May 19, 2011 at 1:05 PM #

    No, no apology. It’s not my business if you like or dislike men and it’s not my intention to argue with you.
    I just pointed a stand point of the definition of feminism, that gender does not equal character and something I strongly believe.

    Where exactly did you see me saying that gender is not used as a weapon?

    Funny thing… today is a day in which I was accused of being a flaming feminazi and menhater and also “adoring submission” simultaneously. The first one – when I dared to point out that women are people too, the second time, that men are people too.

    You haven’t seen any opinions of mine mainly because I blog in Bulgarian and unless you a fluent speaker, which I doubt, it’s completely normal, also.
    Please, my point is not to argue, I didn’t know you hate men (how was I supposed to know exactly?), I have never commented here before and only read the blogposts, this is the first time I wanted to join a discussion.

  56. Hecate May 19, 2011 at 4:38 PM #

    Eh, I would say ‘pardon me for raging, but seeing as the name of this blog actually has the word ‘Rage’ in it, and considering that ND is kind enough to allow me to vent here, I think it’s safe to say that this place is a haven for women who have less-than-politically-correct opinions.

    And though I have suggested that those with more politically correct opinions go elsewhere, they are obviously free to comment away so long as ND is ok with it. More than anything, I believe that change never happened with polite people standing on the sidelines. And No Sugarcoating is quite right to point out that my bark is much stronger than my bite. I have never lifted a finger to hurt a male, nor would I want to or waste my energy doing so. As the wonderful poster ‘joy’ has mentioned here many times, I feel that segregation from men for me personally is a fantastic, protective and life-affirming thing. To me they simply feel like bad energy to be associated with generally. So you’d be right to say that I am far from ever being a peace-lovin’ hippie chick advocating for the rights of men and sucking up to them.

    Actions do hurt a lot more than words, and they are the final nail in the coffin of intentions, good or bad. I would really hope that most feminists would agree on at least that point. I could rage 24/7 here and elsewhere, and I still could not come close to wreaking the kind of havoc and damage men have on the world.

  57. isme May 20, 2011 at 3:34 AM #

    @Gracemargaret

    Unfortunately, appealing either to logic or concern for the wellbeing of the potential young playthings isn’t going to work. Otherwise, they’d already have realised that whatever culture we are supposed to emulate includes a bunch of things hostile to the women (or more importantly, themselves). And/or blind patriotism would see them reject anything foreign.

  58. lizor May 20, 2011 at 2:33 PM #

    @Eneya: A few questions;

    What exactly is Hecate “putting out” that is “destroying lives” and how exactly are those lives being destroyed?

    If gender has no relation to character, what is your personal definition of gender?

    Have you been to finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com ? (You really should check it out).

    If you have been reading the comments section on this blog you presumably know that many of the repeat posters her have survived rape (some multiple rapes), battery and various forms of physical and mental abuse. Why would you think that any of us are concerned about something as insipid and cloying as trying not to be mean?

  59. gracemargaret May 20, 2011 at 2:34 PM #

    Isme,
    yeah I realized that. But a girl can dream…

  60. Eneya May 20, 2011 at 3:17 PM #

    My advise – check again the original comment and you will find all your answers.
    1. I haven’t read the comment sections, I have only read the blog posts (had some issue with accessing the feed of the comments until yesterday and the font is killing my eyes to read it directly), so no, I didn’t know, if I knew, I would have mentioned that because I would have known.
    2. I have said that there are women (not only men) who are selling crap like those godforsaken ugly shoes, I wasn’t reffering to Hecate (the sentence doesn’t even make sense if you read it like I am reffering to her).
    I can quote names on names of women who create and sell crap who perpetuate the stereotypes of women, femininity and sexuality. My point was only that being an ass or a completely horrible human being is something that is not tied to gender, but to humanity, morals (or their absence) and many other things that both genders have.

    What I commented on was in the blog of a person who has underlined more than clear that for her being an ass is not tied in our chromosomes but is a something that happens while we are raised and while we are taught to perform the social gender. As such place, I thought it odd to see someone who clearly defines herself as involved in feminist issues, to write something like that and tried to be mild about it.

    So… yes, my mind reading abilities are probably in my other jacket and obviously actually reading people’s words instead of assuming that they wanted to harm or devalue or to imply anything negative is something of a sport or some very weird part of radical feminism for which I didn’t get the memo.

    How about actually wait until I say anything even remotely anti-women or at least imply it, or actually do anything, before bringing the torches?

  61. Hecate May 20, 2011 at 4:50 PM #

    Well lizor, it must be my deadly ‘witchy vibes’ going out there in the world and devastating billions of lives. I never knew I had so much power! :D

    On a much more serious note, I agree that the truth hurts, and thank you for wording that so beautifully. When women speak their truth, it will never be pretty, but it sure is a genuine catalyst for change, and for that I am so very grateful.

  62. lizor May 21, 2011 at 12:08 PM #

    @Hecate, check out the article written by Roseanne Barr on the New York Magazine website, an unapologetic report on her experience with the U.S. media machine. I found it inspiring.

    @ Eneya, OK I can see on second that you weren’t telling Hecate she was destroying lives. In your opening line you were just reprimanding her for being mean about men, which I still feel is obsequious, insulting and inappropriate here and anywhere else, so I accidentally conflated that with your second statement. I apologize.

    Yes, women participate in the oppression of women. The post was about the advertising of the product much more than the product itself, so yes there is a 4%-8% chance that the ads were created and produced by women. Yes yes, often women can be real assholes and this is a red herring that has nothing to do with this discussion or with Hecate’s point.I have a cat that’s a bit of an asshole too, but I don’t see that being a reason for us not to vent about men’s abusive attitudes towards women and the death culture of patriarchy on a radical feminist blog.

    “my mind reading abilities are probably in my other jacket and obviously actually reading people’s words instead of assuming that they wanted to harm or devalue or to imply anything negative is something of a sport or some very weird part of radical feminism for which I didn’t get the memo.” Sorry. I am not sure what you are talking about. Can you clarify?

    And as far as your saying something anti-woman goes, reprimanding a woman who is discussing women and advertising on a radical feminist blog for being “mean” kind of stinks. Sometimes “mean” is an appropriate response – far more appropriate than the cow-towing and/or endlessly patient mothering we are expected to do in the face the daily dose of bald-faced woman-hating.

  63. Eneya May 22, 2011 at 1:46 AM #

    @lizor

    OK, that’s going somewhere ;)
    I really didn’t know anything about Hecate (or anyone from the people who comment here), so I am really sorry that my words and comment were inappropriate. I already explained why I did it and my logic behind it.
    OK, I understand why ones want to vent, there are more than enough reasons, yes.

    I have read very carefully the rules of the blog, but I have stumbled to some unwritten rules obviously, for which I am not really sure how to react. So maybe I will continue with only reading, because this was a disaster.

  64. Hecate May 22, 2011 at 4:26 PM #

    You have quite the uncanny way of getting to the point lizor! “Endlessly patient mothering” indeed. That was the reason my most recent relationship ended, because though I was willing to be nurturing as anyone should in relationship, I was NOT willing to be a Mommy figure. So this guy ended up running off with a woman old enough to be my mother! It was awful, but pretty easy to laugh off. And now he is her ball and chain. And they absolutely deserve each other :D

  65. Hecate May 22, 2011 at 8:43 PM #

    Also thanks so much for the reading suggestion lizor!

    http://nymag.com/arts/tv/upfronts/2011/roseanne-barr-2011-5/

    I love that she gave Joss Whedon a start in the industry. Intelligent women like her do indeed give credit where it’s due when a man is genuine in his intentions to support feminist causes. There’s no way a man would have given him that chance.

  66. lizor May 23, 2011 at 12:17 PM #

    Thanks Hecate. I’m finding the Mommy thing particularly grating these days. And very good point about Whedon. I loved the part about the chocolate #1. And your dude’s new situation sounds lie a recipe for disaster. Maybe watching it all fall apart will be entertaining, at least.

    Eneya, as a guest here, I’ll observe that the regular posters here do not agree on everything. Sometimes we disagree quite vehemently. The only one who decides if a poster is not welcome is ND and as far as I know there are no “unwritten rules” as you contend.

    In general, this is not a blog where posters concern themselves about making nice. That is why I come here. It’s a haven from the constant barrage of demands to be feminine, pretty or pleasant and it’s a place where no one goes aboard you for not complying to that cliche. I come here because making nice is exhausting and gets me nowhere, but not making nice gets me excluded and marginalized, which is tiring, but better than selling my soul. As Hecate points out, the word “rage”, that beauteous verb and noun is in the title of the blog.

    If you feel unwelcome because of my comments, it was not my intention. I was addressing the ideas you expressed, not you personally. If you choose not to express yourself any further, that is your choice and your responsibility, so please don’t project unwritten “rules” on this forum in lieu of your own discomfort with the discourse.

  67. Hecate May 23, 2011 at 11:53 PM #

    Yep, like Roseanne I’ve definitely had ‘chocolate #1′ moments at work. One time I got a gift of a ‘Who Moved My Cheese’ book at a Christmas party. Chocolate or cheese? Coffee, tea or me? Then, as a reward for superior customer service, I got a sandwich. Suffice it to say, I chucked both in the bin. I am so glad that there are women like Roseanne out there brave enough to shout and kick and vocalize just how much it all sucks. I was either laid off or left when I couldn’t take it any more.

    I feel that pressure you mention too. Angry reactions were so discouraged in me when I was young. A certain member of my family which shall remain nameless took it upon herself to squeeze my little fingers really hard to shut me up after I vocalized a perfectly legitimate complaint about a male relative. I’m sure that many women have faced similar attempts from various people in their lives to silence them.

    I hope women will choose to be righteously raging Medusas over placating and sweet Aphrodites. There is just too much at stake to continue on in submissive silence. A self defense teacher once told me that if something is really bothering me, I need to say it without smiling. She was 100% spot on.

  68. Dylan .Stafne May 26, 2011 at 3:27 AM #

    Dear Nine Deuce,

    Your radical feminism is incisive and just, but I had never before tried Bud Light Lime. Holy crap it’s great.

    Solidarity forever

    Dylan

  69. Eneya May 26, 2011 at 2:08 PM #

    Hecate, Lizor, my most sincere apologies.

    Lizor, you are absolutely right, being nice when you don’t want to be is exhausting and even more, I completely involuntarily used the idea that women are supposed to be nice and not to hurt people’s feelings with harsh words.
    For this… I am truly sorry.

    I really, really, really didn’t mean it any way like that and there was more than enough reason for Hecate to be not just angry with my stupidity.

    So… firstly, thank you for the time you both gave to point that and secondary… well, see you around?

  70. Hecate May 26, 2011 at 7:42 PM #

    As if the whole Skechers nonsense was not enough, now they’re saying that Beyonce videos are ‘feminist.’ :D

    http://www.alternet.org/story/151064/is_beyonce%27s_new_video_feminist?page=entire

    Go get ‘em girls! Though the commenters this time around are being a little more reasonable…

  71. Hecate May 26, 2011 at 10:04 PM #

    Eneya,

    It’s sweet of you to apologize, but it’s not really necessary. In fact, I’d say that apologies are rare around here, because we just want to feel free, even to violently disagree. It’s bad enough that in our daily lives outside of this blog, we are often expected to apologize to men for well, breathing…

  72. lizor May 27, 2011 at 7:01 AM #

    Hey Eneya,

    No apologies necessary from my POV. I’m glad to see you participating in the conversation.

    Hecate – Holy shit, what a shaming pile of crap. She tellingly condemns the woman in the lies video fro being “ugly”. WTF!!! So its Ok to be a feminist as long as you stay “pretty” according to MTV’s dictates and for the love of God (and I use the masculine here deliberately) MAKE NICE while you fight back.

    What a mind-fuck.

  73. Hecate May 27, 2011 at 11:48 PM #

    Truly lizor. Actually I don’t even think she went to that conference. She probably went shopping at Macy’s while writing this article in her rhinestone-studded smartphone :D

  74. toto June 8, 2011 at 8:27 AM #

    Not related to Sketchers, (but related to the Fuckability Mandate and to fucking up kid’s minds)…
    I was typing random things in Google to see what random things would come up. When I put “How to be a” however, I didn’t expect the first suggestion to be “how to be ANOREXIC”! It is seriously messed up! There are about 4 millions results most of which have appalling titles like “Dying to be thin”, or “The anorexic queen” and such nonsense… Seriously? Isn’t anorexia a disease?

  75. Hecate June 8, 2011 at 4:17 PM #

    I know toto. Something has to be done about the Anorexia issue. I believe these sites are called ‘Pro-Ana,’ as if it’s a deluxe lifestyle. Often they use symbols like a butterfly. So thin you can fly away! Interestingly, it is also bdsm symbol. Both of these movements are about reducing women to absolute zero. The women involved go through such pain, that there is barely a trace of them left – and that is the whole sick point. It’s a tragedy and it doesn’t have to be that way.

    For my part, I will take up all the space I like. Devour it, even. I’m pretty hefty and muscular. I eat with ferocity, because that’s what my body needs. And I exercise to be strong. I take 5-mile hikes through the city, and I am now able to walk faster and faster, with more purpose and stride than ever. Men don’t like it and I can tell. But I have more to do than stop and flirt with them. Ugh. I’m sure if I were an anorexic waif or fashionista teetering helplessly on platform shoes, it would be a lot easier for those jizz bags to stop me in the street… I want a world in which women understand once and for all why physical and mental strength are such important tools in achieving true independence.

  76. polly June 12, 2011 at 1:37 PM #

    Hmm hello Jane, I think you’ve got some islamophobia issues going on there. Moving on, if I were to wear these shoes, AND spend five hours a day in the gym, I still wouldn’t look like that woman in the top ad – there is no such thing as a miracle training shoe (and those power plate machines are a big con as well). I just wonder how they get away with selling these things at all.

    Oh and Ren – you can still buy Vans. In this neck of the woods at least. I LOVE my Vans.

  77. JANE June 12, 2011 at 7:08 PM #

    “”Hmm hello Jane, I think you’ve got some islamophobia issues going on there. “”

    Really now, nice distraction, but it won’t work. As for Islam, can’t stand it–nor can I stand any other religions that

    1. sanction via political SYSTEMS by TERROR the murder, butcher, of women and females.
    2. sanction via political SYSTEMS by indirect or direct [or brutal TOTALITARIANISM] policies that promote, and or enforce, CHILD RAPE, and if that offends the Religions

    TO THE FUCK BAD.

    phobia, you mean, phobic against SYSTEMATIC KILLING, RAPING, IMPRISONING, THROWING ACID IN FACES, FORCED MARRIAGES [WHICH IS RAPE BTW FAIRY PRINCESS], CHILD RAPE, INFANT RAPE [thighing toddlers], DV SANCTIONED UNDER BULLSHIT ‘HONOR KILLINGS’

    CANING 14 YEAR OLD GIRLS TO DEATH AFTER THEY’VE BEEN BRUTALLY RAPED,

    FUCKING YEA, I’M PHOBIC, but not of ISLAM

    BUT PHOBIC OF STUPID WOMEN WHO WILL BUY INTO THIS SHIT [ANY RELIGION] AND WILLFULLY

    SELL OUT THEMSELVES AND OTHER WOMEN INTO THIS B.C. GARBAGE

    so, yea–on that phobic, on RELIGION

    ONLY THING I CONCUR WITH, BRING ON THE ‘HOLEY’ WAR, HOLE AS IN VAGINA–KILL WOMEN

    then maybe it’s time, WOMEN FIGHT BACK–AND DO THE SAME, KILL BACK.

    too radical for you, maybe it’s phobia,

    YEA–IT’S PHOBIA, BELIEVING WOMEN ARE HUMAN BEINGS THAT SHOULD HAVE RIGHTS THAT EVEN ANIMALS HAVE [AND ARE NOT DENIED] AND THAT HERE IN

    2011, WOMEN ARE STILL, WORLDWIDE, TREATED WORSE THAN ‘RATS’ IN SHIT GUTTERS

    when WOMEN, who God forbid, don’t want to offend cultural bullshit PENIS WORSHIP OF DE ‘GAWDS’, where in many countries women are being KILLED IN THE THOUSANDS, literally, and when RELIGIOUS POLITICAL SYSTEMS

    sanction those killings, and WOMEN pander to this, because What? Some hunky tent dude might woo them and romance them in Arabian nights kaka [same goes for de Roman Templar or Christian yee haw Cowboy]–

    and girls-women are dying, HORRIBLE DEATHS,

    girls in Afghanistan have PROVEN–PROVEN–HELL IS PREFERABLE THAN LIVING UNDER THESE BARBARIC SYSTEMS OF ‘B.C. RELIGIONS’

    good grief–IT’S BAD ENOUGH, THE BURKA MIND COLONIZATION OF DOMINION ‘CULT’ CHRISTIANITY–

    colonized minds, so, if I’m phobic, hmmmmmm, may I suggest then, YOU GO TO IRAN, EGYPT [CUZZ VIRGIN CHECKS ARE JUST SO HOT BABY], AFGHANISTAN, BANGLADESH–PAKISTAN [CUZZ PRISON FOR RAPE IS JUST SOOOOOO AWESOME, OOOOH WHY DON'T WE DO MORE OF THAT HERE]–LIVE LIKE THAT, FOR THREE YEARS,

    then come back, talk to me, about my PHOBIA [Christian fundies, hey, check out de Congo--Ghana, Nigeria, same thing, ya cuzz submission is just a PHOBIC THING, remember that]….

    GEE I don’t know, we got BDSM cult mind thing a going, dominion-religions, let’s go back TO DARK AGES thing a going here [and god forbid Don't criticize it, why you might be Phobic, and don't criticize PEDOPHILIA, because it's so Sweet to be fucked without consent, ya know...every four year old girl dreams of it--sarcasm]

    YEA PHOBIC IS RIGHT–PHOBIC OF WOMEN WHO WANT ENSLAVEMENT, yep, damn straight I’M PHOBIC,

    I just don’t get it–most Fight slavery, totalitarianism

    why is it, more and more women, seem to not only NOT fight it, but hell, they are BEGGING FOR IT, and RELIGION seems to be where this horror is mostly seen, What gives here?

    ARE WE THAT DAMN AFRAID OF EXILE? CONTEMPT? WAR? [never mind honey when the war breaks out, those Religious boys gonna be gang raping you--they don't GIVE A FUCK about your cultural sensitivity, it won't save your damn ass, WAKE UP]

    RELIGION IS THE VEHICLE OF ‘SANCTIONED DIVINE APPROVAL OF MASS RAPE-MURDER OF FEMALES

    and YOU AIN’T PHOBIC OF THIS FACT? What, you think DIPLOMACY will work? YOU KNOW MORE THAN

    THOUSANDS OF WOMEN WHO HAVE DIED IN EVERY SINGLE RELIGIOUS DOMINATED NATION IN OUR WORLD WHO HAVE TRIED TO GET JUST THE

    BASIC OF HUMAN RIGHTS? GANG RAPED TILL THEY CLAW THEIR FACES OFF AND YOU THINK IT’S ISLAMOPHOBIC TO POINT THIS OUT,

    put on a burka already–and GO AHEAD AND ASSIMILATE. AND WHILE YOU ARE AT IT

    BURN YOUR VOTING CARD, YOUR COLLEGE EDUCATION DEGREE, TOSS OUT YOUR CAR KEYS, AND START WALKING BEHIND THAT CAMEL BABY AND BOW THAT HEAD AND NEVER TALK BACK TO ANY MAN

    YOU SUB HUMAN DOG

    BECAUSE IN RELIGIOUS SYSTEMS–THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL GET–

    AND IF YOU AREN’T PHOBIC OF THAT

    YOU ARE STUPID.

    plain and simple–if this offends, TOO DAMN BAD

    I DON’T CARE–THERE ARE GENERATIONS OF YOUNG GIRLS WHO DON’T DESERVE SLAVERY–BECAUSE SOME OLDER WOMEN HAVE

    DRANK THE KOOLAID.

    and damn right, I AM FUCKING MILITANT ABOUT THIS AND WILL ALWAYS BE

    FUCK RELIGIOUS COLONIZATION OF FEMALES–

    ANY DAMN MEANS NECESSARY.

    JANE

  78. JANE June 12, 2011 at 7:29 PM #

    in ADDITION,

    YOU KNOW WHAT, FUCK IT, GONNA SAY IT, IT SO NEEDS TO BE SAID

    I, have for years, tried, so fucking much tried to be understanding and PATIENT with misogyny, all over, from the political to the religious to my own personal life. I have tried–to reason, to even submit [that nearly drove me to suicide], I KNOW INTIMATELY ALL THREE ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS, AS WELL AS COMMUNISM–I KNOW WHAT TOTALITARIANISM IS, I KNOW WHAT IT IS,

    TO LIVE WHILE DEAD.

    and I’M SICK TO DEATH–of women assimilating into this shit–but worse, women so damn brainwashed that they want ALL OF US TO NOT JUST ASSIMILATE BUT TO ‘ANNIHILATE OURSELVES’

    THERE ARE MEN OUT THERE–IN MY COUNTRY, BLOGGING ABOUT KILLING WOMEN–KILLING WOMEN, IN AMERICA–MEN WHO THINK NOTHING OF RAPE, TORTURE, OF FEMALES…in other parts of the world they are DOING THIS

    DIPLOMACY DON’T WORK–NO SLAVE, GOT FREEDOM

    FROM BEGGING LIKE A DOG

    and I, MEMBER OF WRETCHED OF THE EARTH, AM FUCKING SICK, OF BEGGING LIKE A DOG, hell MEN TREAT THEIR ‘DOGS’ BETTER AND IF OUR MARKETERS PORTRAYED DOGS LIKE THEY DO ‘THE TREATMENT OF WOMEN’

    THERE WOULD BE OUTRAGE IN THE STREETS.

    But not women, oh HELL NO, girl gets raped, why it’s HER fault, never mind she’s only 10 years old. Toddler gets raped in a park [two year old] and the asshole films it on his cell phone–as if this is just

    NORMAL BEHAVIOR–AND THERE’S LITTLE OUTRAGE IF ANY

    WHAT THE FUCK IS IT GOING TO TAKE, REALLY? RAPE CAMPS FOR WOMEN TO WAKE THE FUCK UP, PULL THEIR HEADS OUT OF THEIR ASSES, IS THAT WHAT IT’S GOING TO TAKE?

    ‘oh, that won’t happen HERE, OH NO, not in white privilege castle land, why don’t ya know, Savior knight on de white horse will come Wisk me away,

    honey, your white savior on the horse IS JACKING OFF TO GIRLS BEING ELECTROCUTED AND RAPED AND TORTURED AND CUT UP IN 50 DIFFERENT WAYS ON PORN AND HE’S LAUGHING

    GOOD LUCK WITH HIS SAVING YOU [and de brothers ain't protesting too much]

    mainstream Christianity is more and more telling women that HUSBAND IS THE ‘PRIEST’ AND BY GOLLY IF HE WANTS YOU TO ‘FUCK A DOG’ THEN YOU BETTER SUBMIT AND FUCK THAT DOG

    GODDAMNIT WOMEN

    we have women fighting for Systems [because why it's NATIONALIST AND OH SOO REVOLUTIONARY COOL BECAUSE OH CUTEY BOY THERE THINKS I'M HOT because I'M A RADICAL FREE FUN FEMINIST GRRRLLL] and never mind, those systems they are supporting

    CHAIN WOMEN TO BEDS, LITERALLY, strip them of rights that even women in Rome had, and That’s sad–pathetically sad–

    and yet–oh it can’t happen, IT IS HAPPENING, IN UK THEY ARE FIGHTING AGAINST ‘SHARIA LAW’, IN AMERICA, THERE ARE COURTS–RULING TO ALLOW SHARIA LAW, FORBIDDING DIVORCE, AND PUTTING WOMEN AT RISK OF DEATH, WORSE THAN OUR OWN SORRY LAWS and lack of enforcement of the few ones we have

    MEN DO THIS SHIT BECAUSE THEY CAN–WHY?

    THEY HAVE NOT ONE DAMN THING TO FEAR–NOT A ONE,

    FREEDOM ISN’T WON BY BEGGING AND IT’S NEVER BEEN GIVEN, TO ANY, ON A PLATTER

    EITHER FIGHT, FOR THE FREEDOM TO BE HUMAN

    AND BY HUMAN I MEAN–THE RIGHT TO NOT BE RAPED, NOT BE KILLED, NOT BE TERRORIZED, NOT BE IN CONSTANT STATE OF EXISTENCE OF HAVING TO PANDER TO THE BULL SO YOU CAN HAVE A DAY IN WHICH YOU CAN BREATH–AND ONLY BY PANDERING TO THE BULLS,

    or GIVE IT THE FUCK UP–because whining and bitching about it, IS WHAT WE’VE BEEN DOING SINCE BEGINNING OF TIME

    seriously–IT NEEDS TO BE SAID, we’ll march for abortion right [cuzz de dicks will let us]

    our ANCESTORS WERE JAILED, FORCED FED, SO THAT YOU, ME, COULD VOTE–DO YOU THINK–THEY WOULD SIT BACK AND TAKE THIS SHIT WE ARE TAKING TODAY?

    WE NEED A ‘BLACK PANTHERS’ TYPE OF FEMINISM THAT MEANS BUSINESS, and that’s the ONLY WAY, we’ll ever be taken seriously,

    yea that’s going to mean arrests, it’s going to mean violence, BUT EITHER WE FIGHT

    OR

    WE

    DIE.

    and I really don’t want my daughters to die–me, I don’t care, I’m an old hag–PROUD OLD HAG CRONE,

    and I’M TIRED OF SEEING WOMEN–DIE FOR ‘MEN’S WARS, MEN’S CAUSES, MEN’S NATIONALISM, MEN’S RACISM, MEN”S RELIGIONS, MEN’S POLITICS,

    BUT DARE THEY DIE–FOR WOMEN….

    maybe, hate to Say this–it’s going to TAKE, A HELL LIKE THE CONGO HERE–TO WAKE WOMEN UP, MAKE THEM

    REAL REVOLUTIONARIES, MAYBE IT TAKES, THAT BLOOD–TO REALIZE

    WHAT BEING A ‘HUMAN’ IS, THAT LIFE, ISN’T A ‘GIFT’ THE DICKS AND THEIR DICK ‘GAWDS’ BESTOW ON US

    IT IS OUR FUCKING RIGHT

    AND WHEN WOMEN–GET THAT, THEN, THEN AND ONLY THEN,

    CAN THEY CALL THEMSELVES RADICAL, AND DAMN SURE, NOT UNTIL THEN, SHOULD THEY CALL THEMSELVES

    REVOLUTIONARIES.

    I AM, YES, REVOLUTIONARY–I’M DONE, KISSING THE ASS, OF

    PATRIARCHY.

    JANE

  79. Hecate June 13, 2011 at 11:04 AM #

    Thank you for your conviction Jane. I agree that it is the controlling aspect of human beings that is the absolute worst part of them. We need to seek out ‘the better angels of our nature’ and that would indeed be facilitated if the patriarchy were to be dismantled. Perhaps I should not have used a Lincoln quote, though I think it’s one of his best.

  80. JANE June 13, 2011 at 4:07 PM #

    Hecate, if I’ve learned Anything in this MESS of MA-TRIX, MA-SONS AND THEIR DEATH OF ME, and RA, RA as in the god of RA, Ritual Abuse, this goes Way back…

    and I will Risk it, and go ahead and Add, what I remember, and have tied together, from my OWN childhood, in WASHINGTON D.C., the ‘base of it all, City on the Hill Hannah termed it, the BLACK SPIRAL, stairway to heaven, or stairway to hell??? those UNDERGROUND TUNNELS, dug deep coffins underground, where TRAFFICKERS CAN FLOW THE BLOOD MARKET OF FEMALES WITH ‘ARMS’ WITHOUT NOTICE BY THE WORLD ABOVE,

    where NO ONE can hear the SCREAMS of children, or even bother to LOOK FOR THEM, because the UNWANTED ARE NOT LOOKED FOR–

    doctors of science and military and SPACE work their trauma magick–time travel, dimensions, what DNA can and cannot take

    is it spiritual forces???? or just human madness???? I DO NOT KNOW, I’ve gone round and round on That one, this is where HELL IS, where HELL is REAL, not imaginary.

    BDSM is an extension of–all of what I KNOW AND REMEMBER, what OTHERS are remembering–and not just BDSM

    but the ‘doll houses’ and ‘gender roles’ and our natural instinct-weaponry [that all other creatures, creepy crawly things, animals, of female still are ALLOWED TO HAVE] have been stripped from us,

    making us target, created for death at the hand of the SON, sons of ??? take your pick

    for THE UTILITY OF ‘WAR’ between KINGS and their QUEENS

    and yet, few believe us or take heed to our warnings, human beings are good they say

    REALLY?

    COME DOWN TO OUR HELL WE KNOW

    since the beginning it was always, from what I can gather, been about DNA and DNA PERFECTION, but perfection for What?

    And this is where the Control of Sexuality of WOMAN is laid–in STONE, like ALICE in RESIDENT EVIL,

    she is Disposed of, once her utility is needed NO MORE.

    Dimensions = mirrors, into future or into PAST, to see and look for What? Used to be they looked in livers [where blood is] and then microscopes, CHILDREN are innocent, traumatizing them through EXTREME VIOLENT RAPES–VIRGINS, ELECTROCUTION [Benjamin Franklin, Mason btw, the house in UK he stayed at, they Found bodies, of poor family, with holes drilled in brain, horrid torture, SACRIFICES, FACT, LOOK IT UP ON HIS BIO], these are NOT JUST ‘FOR THRILLS SHITS AND GIGGLES TORTURE RITUALS, of children and females,

    there is a GOAL, they are looking for something–in particular,

    think this is crazy–think about THIS,

    TSA–SCANNERS, AIRPORTS, THE THREAT WARNED BY SOME EXPERTS WAS HOW THE SCANNERS EFFECTED ‘DNA’, the power of those scanners, is far more than X-RAYS, if one chooses not to go through them, THEY GET MOLESTED–RAPED, and it IS RAPE.

    THIS IS BIG GOVERNMENT–

    connect the dots–the MARKET, is tied into ALL OF THIS, let’s not forget where all that monies winds up eventually, the BANKS, the SAME BANKS–THAT STORE ‘GOLD’

    GOLD IS USED IN SPACE TECHNOLOGY

    images, electro magnetic waves are not just effective in mind splitting of children/slaves in torture–so handlers can control the MONARCHS [and this is all what BDSM is about and it's roots of expertise is in the BLACK MASS AND INQUISITION AND OTHER 'CULTS' THAT RITUALLY TORTURED/CUT UP FEMALES, WITCH=HUNTS AS THEIR 'COVER'

    looking for the hidden, but Electro magnetic waves effect your mind every time you watch T.V., those IMAGES, alpha and beta rays, LOOK IT UP, they are far more powerful on WOMEN,

    WOMEN, DOLLS IN DOLL HOUSES, THAT DO WHAT?

    shop, shop, shop, shop, shop

    CONNECT THE DOTS, Jesus [Constantine, is it Holy Book or is it MANUAL FOR THE ELITE and recall, back Then, it was ONLY allowed to read among the Elite], said, ‘I am the Alpha and Omega’

    these are also names, Greek of electro-magnetic rays, rays in our Brain that can be CONTROLLED,

    the Question is not whether or not, to wear lipstick or not [though it's huge part of] is the Cure to end patriarchy or worsens patriarchy,

    that’s a distraction, it’s like a merry go round, dolls in cubicle houses, NUCLEAR under NUCLEAR FAMILY, that are isolated–each ‘lab mouse’ easy prey, especially if they are MOBILIZING AGAINST THE MA-TRIX, especially if they are SEEN PUBLIC, with WATCHING EYES,

    the marionette controls are SO DEEP because they’ve been in OPERATION for CENTURIES, through the passing down through generations of MONARCH’IES,

    we aren’t even at the surface of the ONION layers yet. Because we KEEP PEELING THE SAME LAYERS, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER

    not only that, many of the marionettes are Worshiping the very forces–that were part of those MONARCH-IES that put them on the strings in the first place, and I’m not just talking about PATRIARCHAL RELIGIONS either.

    MEN are in every single SPACE, that females own–or SHOULD OWN, is better term of it, including ALTERNATIVE BELIEFS,

    ASK YOURSELF, WHY IS THAT??????

    We have to ‘cut’ the marionette Ties within deep inside of us, ourselves, and when you Do this, you find a hole,where SELF should be,

    but you see, CLONES don’t have self–[Eve was a clone, think about it], and there was no mother identity by NAME mentioned, just ‘image’

    SO, WHAT IS OUR ‘IMAGE’ really?

    Deprogramming myself from the altars, [some would say demons, I think they are more science--possibly way ahead of us], these are some of the Things I’ve had to deal With, religion offered me no solace because the ORIGINS were IN religions,

    again, whether they are spiritual truths or the works of evil, power driven MEN, MONARCH-IES, it matters not,

    I know, I KNOW–WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING FOR NEAR FUTURE,

    and the military, space and other ‘experts’ of genetics are all wrapped up in it, the anti-matter, all of it, space station, storing of seeds in Greenland, bio-domes, all of it

    WOMEN–ALICE IN RESIDENT EVIL, DISPOSED OF,

    not just fantasy, not just nightmare,

    THIS NIGHTMARE, IS REAL.

    IF women don’t wake up, I hate to see, the end, maybe we Don’t see the end,

    maybe we, like the others, become nothing more, than an image of times past–and a new clone, Eve, created, and a host of billions more women, females, brutally raped, tortured, enslaved, for de Sons of God or MA-SONS,

    until they Find what they are looking for.

    Science Fiction–maybe, I wish, I WISH, I SO DAMN WISH–I COULD LUMP IT UP TO MY BEING CRAZY,

    BUT THERE ARE TOO MANY PHYSICAL MATTER MANIFESTATIONS–and I’m not the only one,

    the reason they are winning, is because OF THE ‘DENIAL’ that this is happening or can happen…

    human nature, Hecate, is about POWER, some want it, and want to rid of all empathy to have that ABSOLUTE POWER,

    to be as ‘gods’

    JANE

  81. polly June 13, 2011 at 11:33 PM #

    OK YOU SAID IT IN CAPITAL LETTERS IT MUST BE TRUE.

    Really Jane, can you show me any actual evidence that Muslims aren’t being prosecuted for rape in Denmark simply because they are muslims? Yeah Islam is a misogynist religion, but it’s no more misogynist than Buddhism or Christianity. What I tend to find is that people who get in a froth about ‘muslims’ really don’t like brown people.

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-already-knows-everything-he-needs-to-know-abou,17990/

  82. Isme June 14, 2011 at 6:31 AM #

    No offense, but I can’t believe that women are being systematically abused covertly by some shadowy cabal for some nebulous goal.

    They are being systematically abused overtly by society for the hell of it.

    Arguably that’s worse, you could possibly defend a conspiracy with the end/means argument, and it would limit the culpability of the abusers.

    There’s no select group of “them” that are thinking up ways to harm you as part of some great and terrinle plan, there are any number of people individualy deciding to kick you while your down for the lulz without a second thought.

  83. Jane June 15, 2011 at 4:24 PM #

    Polly, ‘don’t like brown people’, are You serious? OK that’s just infantile, seriously….for one, Muslim’s by far are not just ‘brown people’, and BTW, I know Islam intimately, was nearly married [his mother saved my stupid liberal commie drink the kool-aid worship the phallic ass back in that day], yes his Mother, a woman of color, whose life

    WAS A LIVING HELL.

    But the majority of Muslim’s I know are fair skinned, that includes Persians [Iran], Chechnyan’s, Bosnian’s, not only that, the Muslim’s I personally knew [not just 'read] about had their own issues with RACISM, so, SORRY, THAT ACCUSATION USED TO SILENCE TRUTH DON’T WASH, it’s pathetic at best. And it shows a complete IGNORANCE of not only Islam and the political systems of Islam, but the historical development of Islam as well, And I do mean, IGNORANCE.

    And the ONLY reason I am not in Pakistan [with my daughter's being sold and sold into rape bondage] IS because of his [my once fiance] MOTHER, who spoke little English, who along with All of his sisters [who educated me about the LIES OF WESTERN LIBERALS AND COMMIE PEDOEPHILWANK LOVERS] who even After telling me TRUTH, went ahead [his mother] and arranged a marriage so that I, STUPID LIBERAL AND ‘NAIVE’ AS I WAS THEN, wouldn’t be in a prison I could never escape from nor would my daughter’s be prime victims. I was TOO STUPID THEN TO SEE [like many women I hate to say in the West who have bought into the war-tactic of taqiyya] and wouldn’t see until way later, when I saw his true nature–with my own eyes. And looking back, it’s amazing at just how many WARNINGS both his mothers, sisters, cousins, friends [female] in what ways they could, and remain Safe [they took risks] they gave–but like YOU, I believed that the abuses were no different from DV here or of other religions–

    BOY WAS I WRONG…HOWEVER–THAT BEING SAID, THOSE SAME ABUSES CAN OCCUR IN ANY ‘THEOCRATIC’ RULE GOVERNMENT, AKA RELIGION INCLUDING YES CHRISTIANITY and if YOU, POLLY, HAD EVER TOOK THE TIME TO READ MY BLOG AND POSTS, RATHER THAN

    CHERRY PICKING TO DISTRACT FROM TRUTH, TRUTHS THAT THERE YES, IS A REAL THREAT TO WOMEN EVERYWHERE,

    I HAVE MENTIONED THE ‘DOMINION MOVEMENT OF CHRISTIANITY THOUSANDS OF TIMES on my BLOG and in fact it’s MOSTLY WHAT I WRITE ABOUT–

    funny how YOU didn’t mention that, why not Polly? Has that parroting steered you the wrong way, who is giving you the crackers?

    Because the Christian dominion movement [cult, mega and not so mega] is in fact ISLAM’S TWIN. But you didn’t mention that, DID YOU, WHY NOT?

    what’s your true motive here huh?

    Let’s present some FACTS shall we, or do you not believe WOMEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO ALL FACTS SO THEY CAN MAKE ‘INFORMED RATHER THAN BEING MANIPULATED CHOICES AND CONSENT’?

    BECAUSE you see, when we talk about Islam or Christianity, we are talking POLITICAL SYSTEMS, SYSTEMS RULED BY ‘RELIGIOUS LAWS’ that go back to Assyria, Babylon, Sumer, Maya, etc. When I deconstruct Christianity I look at Rome, and prior TO ROME, and the development of from those points–and when I look at Rome–Greece I look at as well, PHOENICIA, TYRE, etc.,which had similar laws that all of ancient Mesopotamia had–that were EXTREMELY MISOGYNIST and in fact, many of the HADITHS TODAY ARE IDENTICAL TO THE LAWS OF ANCIENT ASSYRIA–FACT. So to say, it’s just RELIGION,

    is a flat out lie. I don’t look at the prophets as just spiritual prophets, no way, they were MILITARY RULERS, PIRATES, THIEVES AND EMPIRE EXPANSIONISTS, FACT. AND THE HISTORY OF ALL OF THEM–PROVES THIS. One cannot deconstruct the LIES and MYTHS of religions and their BRUTAL OPPRESSION OF WOMEN without looking honestly at the GOALS THEY ALL HAD, and ISLAM, was no utopia, by far,

    LOOK AT THE SPICE TRADE-WARS AND SLAVERY. then take it from there–that should wash the bullshit sugar slavery inspired coated crap off the face of the taquiyya there, unless, one simply SUPPORTS IMPERIALISM BY ELITES/AND THUGS [MEN AND ESPECIALLY PIRATES WHO RAPE/RAPE CHILDREN FOR CONTROL OF LAND/EXPANSION and that is ALL ISLAM EVER WAS, a reactionary expansionism against the expansionism of CORRUPT CHRISTIAN ROME of that epoch and ALL IT WILL EVER BE--

    in fact, the so called founding fathers of PROTEST-ANT AND ANGLICAN AND CATHOLICISM, THE 'KINGS' WERE ALL IN BED WITH THE MUSLIM 'SLAVE TRADERS' OF THAT EPOCH--where the AFRICAN AMERICANS, THOSE 'BLACKS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE OF COLOR IN AFRICA, WERE SOLD BY ARABS TO THE BRITS/AND AMERICANS FOR SLAVE TRADE--but oh, first, they sold people from the Slavic regions, FACT, let's see, to HAITI, FOR SUGAR--that's one clue for you there,

    you see the Slav's couldn't survive the malaria in tropic regions, so they turned to Africans--they didn't care, the ANCIENT ELITES, WERE ALREADY

    RACIST--ISLAM INCLUDED.

    FACT

    don't like it, TOUGH, it's fact and still is, SUDAN, or did that escape your radar.

    FACT--ISLAM TODAY, IS NOTORIOUS FOR RACISM AND SLAVE TRADE, AGAINST ASIAN WOMEN, AGAINST ARMENIAN WOMEN, AND IN FACT, AGAINST EVEN THEIR OWN--

    minorities, minorities based on race.

    SO, TAKE YOUR RACISM ACCUSATION AND SHOVE IT. Because it's pure unadulterated bullshit to SILENCE HUMAN RIGHT ADVOCATES.

    the Reason ISLAM is more of a threat than Christianity today [though that can always change, depending on population demographics, hence the control of women's sexuality] is because of one, demographics, and two, because CAPITALISTS, GREED WAR MONGER ELITES, DON’T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE COMMON PEOPLE, THEY NEVER DID–RELIGION IS THE ‘TOOL’ THEY USE, THE ‘TERROR’

    TO ENSLAVE AND KEEP THE STUPID MASSES UNDER THEIR CONTROL–and ISLAM is the PERFECT UTILITY FOR THIS–

    WHY STALIN USED IT, but Stalin you see, that MAN OF IRON, himself couldn’t keep ISLAM in check because of one reason–LIKE THE MARTYRS OF EARLY CHRISTIANDOM [DEATH CULT] ISLAM TOO IS A ‘DEATH CULT’,

    they are the PERFECT SOLDIER, BRAINWASHED—DETACHED–SOLDIERS AND PEOPLE WHO WILL ‘SACRIFICE THEIR OWN CHILDREN’ FOR THE WAR MACHINE SO THE MASSES AND BATHORY BLOOD DRINKERS CAN HAVE THEIR ‘GOLD’ AND ‘WEALTH’ AND ‘NESTS ON HIGH’

    OF COURSE–ON THE COMMON PEOPLE’S BACKS. This is why MISOGYNY–IS THE UTILITY IN ISLAM–Muhummad was no idiot, in fact he was a MILITARY GENIUS–LIKE SARGON, who know,

    GET THE GIRLS WHILE THEY ARE YOUNG, RAPE THEM, STRIP THEM OF SELF AND HUMANITY, DEMONIZE THEM–AND THEY WILL BE THE PERFECT CLONE DOLLS OF SELF HATE WHO WILL BE DETACHED FROM THEIR ‘CHILDREN’ AND WILL HAVE NO ISSUE, WITH TURNING THEM OVER TO BE

    SACRIFICIAL WAR GUNS.

    DEAD WOMEN DON’T PROTECT THEIR CHILDREN, CHILDREN PRODUCED BY FORCED MARRIAGES AND RAPE, ARE NOT LOVED AND BONDED WITH, as much, the more violence, the more women, WALKING DEAD, will not CARE

    IF THOSE CHILDREN DIE.

    FACT.

    Rome [Constantine] Christianity did this shit too–but on a Different level and way, Because at That epoch, they were organizing a one world Empire [or attempting to] that was fragmented, THEIR GOAL AS ‘ENGINEERS’ was ECONOMY AND RESOURCES–this of course is what would spark the Islamic world off later [the land-resource grap, old empires wanting their power back, FACT--POLITICS 101], KING WARRING WITH KING WARRING WITH KING–AND WHEN CONVENIENT

    KING IN BED WITH KING, OH YES, THOSE ‘INTRA-AGREEMENT ‘MARRIAGES’, in fact, the days of HEROD, IT WAS MARRIAGE OF DAUGHTER BETWEEN HEROD AND SAUDI ARABIA–FACT. [around the 60 A.D, where the story comes from about Herod and John the Baptist but the True story is in fact, about the marriage of the daughter--and divorce and WARS over those, daughters of nobility were the barter pussy goods, they sold/reniged on, for LAND DISPUTES AND EMPIRES THEY RULED] all OTHER women were nothing more than SLAVE FERTILIZER FODDER.

    The one difference between Christiandom and Islam where Women are concerned, is that in Christiandom, Depending on the needs of the kings/states/monarchies and what have you, is in HOW they control women–for the market and supply or to CULL the market/demographics and supply-demand. Christiandom bedded with secularism, when it was convenient, where as Islam did not–well, they Did, but ONLY FOR THE ELITES, this is why it’s an oxymoron for any who claim to be anti-slavery to bed with ISLAM, ISLAM ‘IS’ THE ANCIENT ‘SLAVE PYRAMID SET UP’ there is NEVER UPWARD MOBILITY AND NEVER WILL BE….it was never meant to be

    there isn’t that much upward mobility in Christiandom either–what appears to be mobility is a MIRAGE, but there IS more fluid movement within, this is WHY there is the generational shifts, or POLAR SHIFTS in the Western influenced [Rome-Greece, inspired], that and the multi-cultural shift/soaking up of, EXCEPT–

    IN THE END, WHEN THOSE SOAKING UP OF DIFFERENCES TO ‘APPEASE THE DUMB PEASANT MOUSE’ ISN’T NECESSARY,

    THOSE MICE WILL BE EXPENDABLE, and WOMEN WILL BE THE FIRST TO GO, ON EVERY SIDE OF THE

    CHESS GAME.

    and that day is here actually, the world is under one big net of global government and Christiandom [Catholicism esp] and Islam are simply, DESPOTIC COUSINS, warring over empire along with their NAZI COUNTERPARTS, ELITISTS AND SOCIAL ENGINEERS,

    and if you think, if YOU THINK, ignoring or trivializing these facts, or denying them, will save you as a Woman, you’re deluded–

    it didn’t save the Socialists in Indonesia [who were butchered unmercifully when the Jihadist took control and don't think for a minute the Elites weren't in on that atrocity] and it didn’t save the Marxist who supported the Clerics in Iran when they were at war with the West puppet of the Shah–those women and their daughters are Still paying dearly–so much for LIBERALISM AND DENIAL–

    and it didn’t spare the women who supported the fundies in Egypt here recently either, OR DO YOU THINK ‘BROWN WOMEN’ SHOULD JUST TOLERATE ‘VIRGINITY CHECKS’?

    YOU KNOW, Russia under Soviet did those virgin checks too, oh YES, you see, TOTALITARIANISM–DOESN’T GIVE A FUCKING SQUAT

    ABOUT YOU, AS A WOMAN

    YOU ARE NOTHING MORE, THAN CUM DUMP GOODS, TO EITHER BIRTH CHILDREN FOR THE WAR MACHINE–SUICIDE MISSIONS DEATH CULT

    OR A CUM DUMP TO SACRIFICE CHILDREN, TO CONSUME AND SHOP SO YOU FILL UP THE BANKS WITH GOLD

    wake the fuck up

    and stop pandering to the MISOGYNIST IMPERIALISM OF ‘MALE PIRATE POLITICS’ that have

    ENSLAVED ALL US WOMEN–SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME,

    And as far as the rapes in Denmark, what I find appalling, is the Refusal, to yes, address the POLITICAL WEAPONRY OF MASS RAPE–used by YES, MUSLIM MEN WHO IN CELLS ARE WORKING FOR ‘CLERICS’ to instill FEAR,

    and how those STRATEGIES ARE BEING DELIBERATELY USED BY THE ‘ELITES’ [NON-MUSLIMS] to control the masses into a state of

    MENTAL STUPOR

    which in fact GIVES AMMO TO THE NATIONALIST ‘WHITE SUPREMACIST GROUPS’ to do their dirty work–WHICH–IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF

    NAZI’S AND MUSLIM’S, OF MANY SECTS

    WOULD SEE–THEY ARE WORKING TOGETHER,

    and this is where, the Dominion Cults of Christiandom and Islam are working TOGETHER AS ONE,

    TWO SIDES, SAME DAMN COIN

    and neither side, gives a damn about women, females, or children. NOR DO THEY CARE ABOUT THE ‘POOR’

    WE’RE FODDER, NOTHING MORE TO THEM–AND BEING MANIPULATED BY BOTH ENDS

    and MORE WOMEN–YES WILL BE RAPED, GANG RAPED AND LOSS OF FREEDOMS,

    WELCOME TO LIVING AGAIN IN SARGON’S B.C., TYPE OF RULE–ASSYRIA,

    DO SOME READING ON THE LAWS OF HOW SLAVES, WHICH WERE WOMEN, DEBT BONDAGE, TRAFFICKING, OF THAT ERA–

    THINK IT CAN’T HAPPEN TODAY–THEN YOU ARE ALREADY DECEIVED, IT ‘IS’ HAPPENING. And socialists, anarchists, and liberals and FUN FEMINIST and the bdsm folks, the HAD TOO MUCH PRIVILEGE AND FREEDOM AND FORGET WHAT IT TOOK TO GET JUST A REMNANT OF FREEDOM–

    ARE PAVING THE WAY, TO A TOTALITARIAN HELL

    THAT WILL MAKE ROME CHRISTIANDOM AND EARLY ISLAM–OTTOMAN EMPIRE, LOOK LIKE A RIDE IN

    DISNEY WORLD.

    follow the damn money trail, gold, labor trade [slaves, it's all slaves] and sex slave trafficking with drugs and arms you Think they are opposed,

    shit–if you think that, you’re dumber than I think.

    The world is way overpopulated, the resources are limited, WATER IS THE NEXT TOOL OF GENOCIDE–ON A GLOBAL LEVEL

    FACT

    you THINK THEY WILL SPARE YOU BECAUSE YOU KISS THE ASS OF CULTURAL RELATIVISM?

    THEY DON’T EVEN SPARE THEIR OWN

    YOU CAN’T BE, THAT STUPID–AND TO SAY, AFTER ALL I WRITE, THAT IT BOILS DOWN TO

    NOT LIKING BROWN PEOPLE,

    IS ABOUT THE MOST STUPIDIST THING I’VE READ IN A VERY LONG TIME. And it’s actually, Stupid for me to even respond to it,

    there are Too many people Dying in this world–WHO DON’T LIVE IN SUGAR TOO MUCH COMFORT LA LA LAND

    WHO KNOW THE HELL OF ISLAM, CATHOLIC MILITARY BACKED FUEDALIST NATIONS WITH THEIR NAZI POLICE THUGS[SUPPORTED BY USA THUGS, ALWAYS HAS BEEN] AND ALL THOSE FEMALES IN ‘RAPUNZEL’S DUNGEONS OF VIRGIN RAPE HELL AROUND THE WORLD AND THE CHILDREN IN THOSE HELLS TOO

    WHO KNOW THE TRUTH–THOSE ASIAN SLAVES IN ‘ISLAM’ HOUSEHOLDS RAPED, BEATEN, WITH

    NO ESCAPE

    KNOW, TRUTH.

    I don’t care about offending liberal sensibilities–to HELL WITH THEM, and I DON’T CARE IF IT OFFENDS ISLAM OR ANY OTHER RELIGION

    I CALL IT AS I SEE IT–IF THEY DON’T LIKE IT,

    THEN CHANGE THE DAMN CORRUPTED FRUIT, not MAKE EXCUSES FOR IT–AND PULL OUT THE ‘OH CHRISTIANITY’ OR ‘HINDU’ EXCUSE OR WORSE, THE RACISM EXCUSE

    LET’S LOOK AT THE CORRUPTED FRUIT–OF THAT ROTTED TREE

    ALL OF THEM–IF THEY CAN’T TAKE THE HEAT–MAYBE THEY SHOULDN’T BE KINDLING ALL THE FIRES INSPIRED BY HELL–THE HELL THEIR POWER WHORES, PIRATES AND PROPHETS

    CREATED. BECAUSE THEY HAD ‘THEY ARE ‘GOD’ DELUSIONS–MAKING THEMSELVES INTO ‘gods’

    ON THE BACKS AND BLOOD OF THE BILLIONS OF GIRLS AND WOMEN THEY RAPED AND ENSLAVED AND BUTCHERED–

    AND STILL ARE.

    I REFUSE, TO CATER TO THEM–ANY OF THEM, RELIGIOUS AND NON-RELIGIOUS ALIKE.

    YOU RAPE AND KILL FEMALES

    YOU’RE SHIT TO ME–I DON’T CARE WHAT ACCUSATION YOU USE–

    AND USING THE ‘PAST’ TO JUSTIFY THE SHIT TODAY–IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT,

    THERE IS NO EXCUSE, FOR THE SHIT DONE TO WOMEN, FEMALES, CHILDREN IN THIS WORLD TODAY–

    NONE–NOT CULTURE, NOT RELIGION, NOT POLITICS

    AND NOT RACE EITHER

    NONE–IF YOU ARE MUSLIM AND YOU RAPE–GUESS WHAT, I DON’T CARE IF CHRISTIANS DO IT TOO, I WON’T PROTECT YOUR SMUG ASS, COWER LIKE A COWARD,

    I WILL CALL YOU ON IT, AND IF YOU DO IT, UNDER THE SANCTION OF ‘ISLAMIC MISOGYNIST LAWS’

    I WILL SAY SO.

    SAME GOES FOR ANY OTHER RELIGION OR CULTURE OR NATIONALISM

    I WON’T PROTECT–YOUR MISOGYNIST BULLSHIT, UNDER NO TERMS,

    PERIOD.

    YOU ARE EITHER FOR WOMEN’S [FEMALES’ RIGHTS AS HUMAN BEINGS–OR YOU ARE NOT

    YOU CAN’T SIT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE TABLE.

    Jane

  84. Jane June 15, 2011 at 5:32 PM #

    “”No offense, but I can’t believe that women are being systematically abused covertly by some shadowy cabal for some nebulous goal.

    They are being systematically abused overtly by society for the hell of it.

    Arguably that’s worse, you could possibly defend a conspiracy with the end/means argument, and it would limit the culpability of the abusers.

    There’s no select group of “them” that are thinking up ways to harm you as part of some great and terrinle plan, there are any number of people individualy deciding to kick you while your down for the lulz without a second thought.””

    ISME, when you put it that way, no, you’re correct, there isn’t any little table of dogs with cigars Conspiring–and Sad to say, numerous of the Conspiracist [sic]theorists have done more to HARM than to HELP, and I wouldn’t hesitate to say, that many of the Conspiracist theories are deliberate Confusers–put out there to throw people off from Seeing the truth.

    YOU are correct, in that yes, society harms women for hell of it, but that is only Part of the equation. And the best way I can relay this is that, you have to look at WOMEN as a RESOURCE, just as one would look at LABOR as a resource. And

    RESOURCES, ARE MANIPULATED AND OWNED, BY YES, THE ELITE IN POWER. And that power trickles down, as well as merges and then trickles down again. The masses Feed into this too, our demands and/or needs actually Work to feed the beast, per se [and are manipulated to be that way] You see this in how consumerism and marketing work, in that relationship and Then you follow the money trail from there.

    All monies, funnel back to the top, which pay for arms, arms to protect What? THE PROPERTY AND POWER STATUS AND MAINTAINING OF THE ‘ELITE’.

    To confront the Systematic abuse of women in no way limits the culpability of the abusers–what it Does do, however, is peel the Onion layer of the system of LEGALITIES THAT ARE USED, TO FENCE IN WOMEN, where in That realm–those MEN who are guilty, are nine out of ten–ACQUITTED. UNLESS it isn’t convenient for the system, crimes against women, are a lot like how the poverty industry is manipulated for the market, and yes this is Why there is a HUGE RACIAL IMBALANCE IN OUR PENAL SYSTEMS, what I mean by this, is,

    it’s the men of color and poor men who are imprisoned for crimes against women and PROPERTY far more than white men–FACT. And with women imprisoned for NON-VIOLENT CRIMES this is hugely evident–of SOCIAL CONTROLS FROM THE TOP. That is an example of how yes, what is Top trickles down….these are not just merely societal Accidents–THESE ARE SYSTEMS THAT ARE DELIBERATELY PLANNED AND CARRIED OUT–FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE ‘FEW’.

    So-as for the cabal, is there such thing as a cabal? YES, THERE IS, AND THERE IS MORE THAN ‘ONE’ ACTUALLY,

    to grasp this, we have to go back and understand how the MONARCHY LINES worked, how they originated, how they were ‘apparently’ dissolved but NOT REALLY, because they were only REPLACED BY ELITES WHO HELD RESOURCES-PROPERTY, under the mirage of REPUBLIC OR REPRESENTATION, recall, the debates between direct democracy and representative democracy–you know, because the dumb ole propertyless peasant was too stupid to know how to rule themselves and like Lenin and his Vanguard rationale, they needed the attributes of more ‘worthy’ men to lead them–THOSE SHEEP HERDERS–KINGS, and well, that included only white men in that epoch [West] and in [East] only monarchies from old…in laymen’s terms that is,

    as populations grew/shifted those in power have had to Adapt–pacify the restless or else risk revolution, anything to keep the order, but it was Never the welfare of the common fodder they had in mind–this is why revolutions have eaten their young–the poor were always the fodder, or those colonized. And always, with the aid of the middle man [half elite in name only and half slave/native-LOOK FOR THOSE WHO WILL SELL OUT, THE JUDAS, THE OTHERS FOR THEIR OWN ADVANTAGE, EASY TO DO, THERE ARE PLENTY OF THEM], this is why Solidarity, true solidarity was always the elite’s worse threat. Same goes for solidarity among women for human rights–Divide and Conquer, works every time.

    Anyway as population expanded along with empires, those middle men become more in number–Societies developed, that go back to the ancients, they were always there, the Secrets, hidden power truths, of how societies were taken over, enslaved, controlled, especially use of terror–and to SHARE power they SHARE THOSE SECRETS,

    those hidden secrets of RELIGION, ORGANIZED CRIME, AND POLITICS AND THE SCIENCES [PSYCHIATRY, ACADEMIA AND TODAY'S GENETICS--WHICH, GO BACK TO HISTORY--BAKUNIN, WARNED OF--EARLY RUSSIA, HE WARNED OF THE SCIENTIFIC ELITES--MANY ANARCHISTS, WHO WERE KILLED THEN, DID WARN, WHAT IS IT, THEY 'SAW', THAT SPURRED THEM TO WARN????]

    There is a lot to unravel the truths here, that would take books, but prior to my putting the pieces together from my own family’s history, when I was merely studying political history/theory/philosophy, there was one thing, well a couple actually but I didn’t put it together Then–that tipped me off, to begin to look more into the forces [what they call the unseen hand] of social engineering,

    and it was a fictional [but based on true events] book, written in the late 50s or 60s about China, the wars beginning in Vietnam [and the war in Korea] and something the author said–about Kennedy. This author was part of the whole elite club of writers in that day…somewhat popular among the political readers–and what he said was, that the government should Utilize the mind control techniques of the Maoists used on POWs and their war techniques, and that tipped me off–triggered, what would be the reason For that, unless one wanted to utilize that for their own use,

    then there was other tip offs, the School of America’s, the support of Pinochet [Raegon or whom I TERM as RAY-GUN, think Star Wars program], the Iran-Contra affair, Oliver NORTH, Stalin’s tolerance of ;mass rape in Yugoslavia and his support against the anarchists in Franco’s Spain [Franco--that's an interesting one--one we don't hear much about, lots of clues there],

    the US use of one hideous horrible Japanese doctor who TORTURED CHILDREN, OPERATED ON THEM WHILE THEY WERE ALIVE AND AWAKE–they didnt’ kill this man, they saved him, to USE HIS EXPERIMENTS, this was after WWII,

    there is TONS MORE, and I do mean TONS–

    and there is a PATTERN, not just an odd ball thing, here, there, oh no, there is a CONCISE PATTERN, that is meticulous, records, numbers, all of it,

    question is, WHY and WHAT FOR?

    This is where the conspiracist theorists, go all over the place–they blame the Zionist or the Nazi’s or the Cathollics or the Christians or Masons …but more and more, the threads are being connected between All of them–certain families, men, scientist, etc., that are GLOBAL, and that go back, way back to Wilson [where much of it got the global kick off, League of Nations] and then prior to that, the Roman empire and the fall of, and then prior to that–Mesopotamia.

    THOSE WHO HAVE KNOWLEDGE HAVE THE POWER,

    let us not forget, it’s not been that long to where only Certain people were allowed the opportunity to LEARN how to read, for centuries only the churches-religions could even read their texts, and even Those are still put into vaults–that we don’t have access too, let’s not forget, the Archives that rulers destroyed, Alexander, the Catholics with the Mayans [though they sure didn't mind utilizing them and merging forces with as well as colonizing], and not too recent, the US destruction of archives in Iraq

    but don’t think for a minute, they destroy those WITHOUT ALREADY HAVING ACCESS AND TAKING WHAT THEY NEED and it’s the COMMON PEOPLE they are wanting to hide TRUTH FROM–

    never let the fodder connect the threads,

    and in EACH case–it’s the militaries of the power houses that do the destruction.

    That’s only a part of the prism—there is the Huge numbers of orphanages, state kidnappings of children [from UK with the forced adoptions to the homeless children in Russia to the orphans who are severely damaged in Romania and Hungary, experiments, many of them of the Communist bloc that THOSE records--are in the hands of Guess who? You think these things just happen in a vacuum?

    There are psychiatric hospitals that were torture-experiments, those truths hidden and protected, NOT just by the engineers of totalitarianism but by Western nations, France for one--

    those Institutes work with military and other industrial complexes with those in UK and in USA and in EAST.

    And interestingly, they, all own property in none other than the power house of DUBAI

    COINCIDENCE???????

    do some checking on the trafficking of Armenian girls to DUBAI--oh yea,

    you Don't think it's POOR MEN, PAYING TO RAPE THESE GIRLS DO YOU?

    SAME WITH MEXICO [THE RICH WHO FREQUENT BROTHEL HELLS] AND SOUTH AMERICA AND EUROPE [HOLLAND], etc.,

    and AMAZING–HOW MANY OF THESE REGIONS, HAVE MILITARIZATION ZONES,

    hmmmmmm

    so, Just society, just accident?

    I don’t think so, not even….my second husband [remember, I was really messed up from the RA, and it's no coincidence, that I often got into relationships with men who were tied into occult or some form of gov/crime] and well anyway, HE worked in Africa, 7 years, for HALLIBURTON,

    he was British–his brother big in Jehovah Witness’s, his family, ties to gov and father [his] fought in Egypt, where also my ex worked–Cairo,

    I could tell you some stories, talk about some evil shit–I’ve seen it, and that town, btw, was run by Masons,

    a region, where mass genocide was committed, many Native Indian tribes, slaughtered, a town with a school mascot called Demons, with over 100 churches,

    figure it out.

    BIG OIL MONEY

    Don’t think, for a moment, that there isn’t forces, in the top up, that aren’t working, and aren’t working, using women, as PAWNS in their game,

    because they DAMN SURE ARE, and what they are doing, is sheer evil,

    and it Does have something to do, with DNA, genetics, controlling people, culling and creating clones and/or those that can survive [I'VE pondered this one, though not sure] in space…as CRAZY AS THAT SOUNDS, I KNOW,

    but you have to think, matter, matter, when heated, changes. DNA–genetics,

    bionics, all of it–they ARE creating machines [little robots] that can PRO-CREATE THEMSELVES, IT’S BEEN DONE,

    and ETHICS, these are MEN, who see nothing wrong with killing/force sterilizing women in poor nations,

    using people, children as EXPERIMENTS.

    they didn’t think there would ever be a Hitler either–you know,

    look at how many Nazi’s our nation helped to escape to South America–look at South Africa, and the camps in South America–those tortured, Said, their doctors who saved them to be Tortured again, had Bibles in the room–THEY WERE

    NAZI’S

    these things don’t operate in a vacuum-they aren’t just bad apples in society, oh HELL NO,

    they are Created–monsters. The prison complex, is evidence of that.

    And that’s not even a fourth of it

    Jane

  85. Isme June 15, 2011 at 9:55 PM #

    You’re right about those with power using/abusing those without for their own ends, of course, I was rather off-hand with my previous comment.

    I still don’t believe in the use of mind control and DNA alterations, though. Not that I think that groups would shirk from such a thing if they could do it, but merely that it would be unprofitable. Any group that had gotten to the point where it could do such things must have had the ability to dump all sorts of lucrative items on the market first. Also, you’ve given many examples of the dominance and abuse of societies by those in power ranging over thousands of years. Kings and Emperors have managed quite well without the benefit of modern science to control their subjects, it simply isn’t needed.

    DNA alterations, adapting humans to survive in space? What’s the point? How do those in power extend their power that way?

    IMHO, that is going beyond very legitimate concerns about the nature of politics and big business, and into the realm of conspiracy theory.

    “Yeah Islam is a misogynist religion, but it’s no more misogynist than Buddhism or Christianity.”

    Not really a selling point. How misogynist is a religion allowed to be before it can be condemned?

    (Personally, though, I’d say that the religion itself is almost irrelevant, people will jump through all sorts of mental hoops to interprate their religion in the way that best suits them, for good or for ill. It’s just usually for ill.)

  86. Jane June 16, 2011 at 2:35 PM #

    ISME, currently researching the political mergers of early religion [Rome] and then Islam, Mohammad, also is the revival of HAMMURABI LAWS of ancient, these were political laws, and some interesting findings, keys in believe it or not, Diego Rivera’s art/murals…Die go River A, names have meanings, actually that go back to ancients, anyway…some Really interesting things in his murals, HE knew, as did Kahlo, as did Modotti, and the mural at DIA airport, Denver speaks volumes as well, also the one at the UN.

    But you have to have some extensive knowledge of the political framework/merges between powers to be, it helps to study WARFARE, has a lot to do with it. Warfare and resources, which leads me to this next point,

    you mention genetics, just yesterday I was reading through numerous Genetic scientists who yes, are working to form a global record data of everyone’s genetics. The indigenous peoples are against this, i.e. HOPI Indians, etc. The ‘argument’ being used to justify thus data is that they are looking for the MIGRATION patterns of humans, to see where we or who we evolved from,

    that’s on the SURFACE. But when you DIG a bit deeper, it becomes a bit more sinister. And this is where it ets to look like some futuristic ‘clone’ nightmare, clone of perfect slaves [in which, Diego painted similar revelations of such but portrayals of the ancients, which ODDLY, look somewhat identical to many SUMER paintings or etchings stored in museums, mostly in , Britain. Anyway there are some interesting similarities,reason I mention this, Hitler was obsessed with the East, AS WAS STALIN, [Stalin had experts study the still unexplained area of Siberia, possibly meteor] but anyway, the Eugenics tree, what I’ve read thus far, sounds eerily familiar to the arguments made by many Genetic scientists today.

    The mural, at DIA, shows three women, in coffins, there are a couple of murals, but the symbolism of HARVESTED WOMBS is right dead there, one would have to be BLIND to not see it, and then the mural depiction of global ‘genocide’. The mural at UN is [Security Council] is creepy enough as well. And let’s not forget, the statute at DIA, Anubis [Greek name for god of death or funerals-Egypt] and the Bronco horse, the Bronze horse, refers to the horse rode by Mohammed. The symbolism of the Masonry at the DIA airport WHICH has underground tunnels and chambers btw, one of them is for the alchemist symbol of gold-silver, which of course, gold is mined, DIRTY GOLD, big business, poisons waters world wide and in EVERY SINGLE PLACE WHERE GOLD IS MINED, THERE IS BRUTAL SLAVERY AND FORCED PROSTITUTION OF WOMEN. Including in Denver, history of…gold mining/mountains, they trafficked Asian women to Denver, who were raped with impunity. FACT

    What I didn’t know however, is that the first ‘jewel’ to be mined, was Turquoise and this was in Egypt, not just in South America, . of course the continents were at one time not separated. But I bring this up, because ancient depictions show female sex slaves and slaves, mining or farming for the ‘gods or elites’.

    And the sacrifices…which were brutal. Now, taking leave of the spiritual ‘maybe’s’ here, just looking at it in a political lens [let's say, they deified the rulers of old after they died to instill fear in the slaves] the belief then was that they [elite] would go to the other side with the jewels they collected,

    those same jewels, are in museums and in KING’S CROWNS worldwide. Those same jewels, are BLOOD JEWELS, of thousands upon thousands, of innocents. Rubies, I found, are mined in Burma, the human right abuses and rapes of Burmese women/sex slaves is HORRENDOUS for these jewels. Jewels are also huge in witchcraft and SORCERY, which of course, is what the occult/secret societies are all about. Whether one BELIEVES in the spiritual or aliens or just the matter world, the facts remain evidently strong today, the HARVESTING AND DELIBERATE ENSLAVING AND RAPE OF THE FEMALE SEX FOR THE JEWEL POWER HOUSES AND GAMBLING-GOVERNEMTN HOUSES OF THE WORLD AND HISTORY, is eugenics and misogyny on such a level that makes Tales of the Crypt seem tame.

    These terror porgrams were DELIBERATE HOLOCAUSTS AGAINST THE FEMALE SEX and those whom they deemed worthy of their [the rulers] of their punishments, and this goes way back, but here’s the gist of it,

    these weren’t just Accidents or just bad behaviors, oh no, the research I’ve done shows a consistent pattern of DELIBERATE, GENOCIDE AND GENDERCIDE AGAINST WOMEN, for the purpose of creating a master race-kingdom. A ‘KING’ that rules the whole world or next world, who knows…but what was done to women, by DELIBERATE PLANNING, CONSTRUCTION AND PLANNED BUTCHERING, is not just some new tactic of recent time, oh no, the rulers are simply copying the ancients. They’ve just gotten far more clever at it,

    and the target is always the poorest, weakest and marginalized woman first. The invisible. Anyway, what I FIND Interesting too, is that the men of old Did in fact, use eugenics, through RAPE and ESPECIALLY ‘TEMPLE RAPES’ under the ‘goddesses’ and those babies were killed, probably as an act of resistance, ok, of the women repeatedly raped–now when Constantine took power, that was THE LAW [actually prior to] they passed, concerning women, babies born by [we know--rape] COULD no longer be done away with. Either way, she was screwed [no pun intended], the witch hunts too, were not started by the Popes, oh no, but by the Romans under Herod, FACT. Those had to do actually with women, using herbs to abort, unwanted pregnancies by rape, rape in the temples [they were sex slaves, that whole goddess shit is just that, shit, lies] and rapes as slaves in Roman households,

    the early ‘church’ was really, just Rome hijacking the RESISTANCE [martyrdom] because DEAD SLAVES COST THE EMPIRE MONEY, so they had to come up with something to transfer the gods/goddess beliefs of pantheon [because it's MONIES PAID TO THE TEMPLES TO RAPE/ETC] and dead slaves, slaves who opted to die in acts of resistance rather than live in HELL, were costing the empire money, weakening them [and making them vulnerable to other empires who were just AS hideous, Vandels, etc], then that transfer, sure enough, went to the later Popes and their ‘concubines’ [fact] and their rape victims [fact] and well, the Roman Empire didn’t die,

    it just changed FACE. Rome and Greece in fact, the split between East and West [later would be Capitalism and Communism], and then of course, Mohammed [old Hammurabi] in the middle,

    then there is the other ancients, Mayan, Olmec, Incas, Aztecs all in which had similar porgrams, especially slavery and pedophilia…the ‘myth’ that women were empowered, is just that, myth,

    it was ONLY the ‘ELITES’ women who had rights, the masses, slaves were fodder. NOW, what is interesting, in these similarities, is how they are joining forces today, especially in the field of genetics and space research–France is tied into this as well, and I’m talking the elite scientists here, who of course, are paid for, by the governments….

    as for the space program, from what I’ve been able to gather, this has to do with the THREAT OF RENEWABLE RESOURCES AND THE POPULATION today, we are running out, especially WATER.

    If you look at the Zero Population porgram of UN, it’s policies against women, especially women of color in the poorest of poor nations [with the permission of Islamic men I might add] has been brutal, and same goes for indigenous peoples [the slaves] and WOMEN have been raped in the thousands and bodies dumped in trashcans, fields, tortured, experimented upon, experiments on children [poor] and forced sterilizations and womb harvesting–those studies of young women, surrogates, in colleges, ARE CONNECTED, somehow but I’m not sure how yet,

    and the vaccines they have used on WOMEN.

    When Mary Daly talked of Nazi doctors abusing women she only touched the surface, because the MENTAL EXPERIMENTS they have done on women is just as horrid,

    think Frannie Farmer. [lobotomies and they are STILL DOING THESE, except today they also do it under lithium, and other pharma drugs [pharma is also SORCERY].

    And they are targeting young women, teens and pre teens.

    There is simply too much, COINCIDENCE, to not see it, and to close this, I’ll just put this link, one I stumbled on, in my research–

    I strongly believe, the next holocaust against women IS going to be in America, I strongly believe this. And they can do it–they [the powers to be] have been expertising their techniques in South America for eons…it’s coming, and Porn is huge part of, which BTW, the term PORN comes from the early POPES, and JESUITS, but the use of PORN goes back to the images of Ishtar, those temples they forced girls, young girls, to be sex slaves to the men of war. FACT [those images of the little girls in windows on stone look IDENTICAL to the sex slaves, trafficked to HOLLAND who sit in those windows all day]

    what happens to them when they are no longer useful? Funny we don’t hear about them do we? BECAUSE THEY FOR MOST PART, ARE ‘MURDERED’ that’s why,

    and who knows WHAT ELSE.

    ok that account has been taken down, it was called FINRAGE, they were disclosing the genetics nightmare porgrams on women in poor nations, let me see what I can find and I’ll post it.

    oh, and FEMA camps, fema as in ‘female’, think it can’t happen here, what they did in Nazi Germany, when they forced young virgins to be raped by German men to create ‘perfect Aryan’

    think again, but now, we’re talking, CLONING, genetics mutations and who knows what else, GET into the Science future discussions, you’ll see them, and EVO PSYCH MEN ARE ALL OVER IT,

    women seriously need to STOP THINKING–IT CAN’T HAPPEN. The mega churches/dominion cults, are ALREADY BRAINWASHING CHRISTIAN WOMEN TO ACCEPT BDSM AND TORTURE AND RAPE, AND FORCED FERTILITY, it’s happening,

    and they are HEAVILY TIED INTO POLITICAL AND EVEN ONE, CLOSE TIES TO OBAMA. think about it.

    we’re nothing more than penis ashtrays and cum dump wombs for them–never forget that, and the porgrams, yes are deliberate and planned.

    Jane

  87. joy June 16, 2011 at 7:11 PM #

    I’m pretty sure all religions are equally misogynist, just in different ways. That’s kind of what they’re for, to uphold the social order (ie, misogyny, ie, patriarchy).

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