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		<title>By: Immir</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2009/10/22/too-drunk-to-drive-then-youre-too-drunk-to-deserve-pity-for-having-been-raped-you-dumb-whore/#comment-14078</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 01:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thnx for providing a way to contact him... brb]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thnx for providing a way to contact him&#8230; brb</p>
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		<title>By: suhani</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[suhani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[3 years after being raped .... i still think i was the one responsible,yeah its true.. if i was too drunk.. its my mistake.. i am the whore.... he was innocent.. he just did.. what he wanted too,since we got in to relation......
 Your Honor, I committed the crime of getting drunk with my bf,trusting him that he would take care of me. My lips were too shiny. I was deeply in love with him. For my penalty I accept to be alone forever.” case over!!!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3 years after being raped &#8230;. i still think i was the one responsible,yeah its true.. if i was too drunk.. its my mistake.. i am the whore&#8230;. he was innocent.. he just did.. what he wanted too,since we got in to relation&#8230;&#8230;<br />
 Your Honor, I committed the crime of getting drunk with my bf,trusting him that he would take care of me. My lips were too shiny. I was deeply in love with him. For my penalty I accept to be alone forever.” case over!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: ben tillman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ben tillman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Sickening and outrageous and infuriating, as these stories always are. Probation – fucking probation – for a GANG RAPE? God, that judge is an arsehole. &quot;

He&#039;s a Jewish activist who is &quot;celebrating . . . Jewish values in the law&quot;.  From here:

http://www.sobeloff.org/

&quot;Steven G. Salant observed that none of the state or local bar associations in Maryland provided a forum for those attorneys interested in Jewish issues and concerns. He discovered that many attorneys were willing to devote their time to build such an organization. Therefore, the Simon E. Sobeloff Society was established to provide a social vehicle to network, encourage civility and build camaraderie among attorneys while celebrating their Jewish heritage and Jewish values in the law.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sickening and outrageous and infuriating, as these stories always are. Probation – fucking probation – for a GANG RAPE? God, that judge is an arsehole. &#8221;</p>
<p>He&#8217;s a Jewish activist who is &#8220;celebrating . . . Jewish values in the law&#8221;.  From here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sobeloff.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sobeloff.org/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Steven G. Salant observed that none of the state or local bar associations in Maryland provided a forum for those attorneys interested in Jewish issues and concerns. He discovered that many attorneys were willing to devote their time to build such an organization. Therefore, the Simon E. Sobeloff Society was established to provide a social vehicle to network, encourage civility and build camaraderie among attorneys while celebrating their Jewish heritage and Jewish values in the law.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: suhani</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[suhani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i have gone through same rape case,where i was the victim,1 was 19 ,drunk with my bf and his frnds,me and my bf had no physical relations by then. after i passed out n slept.. he raped me in front of his frnds... next morning when i woke there was no one.... well it was my first time.... after he never spoke to me again... i cried n begged to be with me... but he left me,as he was done... i loved him... n he raped me.i belong to a very respectful family n orthodox too.. i couldn`t tell any one... i kept blaming myself for loving a wrong guy... n still never got in relation ship again. i am working 23 now. i work for a widow society ... but the scars of that night are still fresh... and i get scared at nights... it hurts....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have gone through same rape case,where i was the victim,1 was 19 ,drunk with my bf and his frnds,me and my bf had no physical relations by then. after i passed out n slept.. he raped me in front of his frnds&#8230; next morning when i woke there was no one&#8230;. well it was my first time&#8230;. after he never spoke to me again&#8230; i cried n begged to be with me&#8230; but he left me,as he was done&#8230; i loved him&#8230; n he raped me.i belong to a very respectful family n orthodox too.. i couldn`t tell any one&#8230; i kept blaming myself for loving a wrong guy&#8230; n still never got in relation ship again. i am working 23 now. i work for a widow society &#8230; but the scars of that night are still fresh&#8230; and i get scared at nights&#8230; it hurts&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Nine Deuce</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nine Deuce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent!</p>
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		<title>By: christina beastly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[christina beastly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, this is what I sent to the Governor&#039;s office. 
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Greetings Governor O&#039;Malley!

I was just made aware of the Montgomery County case (article: http://www.gazette.net/stories/10212009/rocknew222349_32522.shtml) involving three young boys accused of raping an unconscious girl at a party, while they were all students at Col. Zadok Magruder High School. Obviously, rape in any circumstance is a harrowing, gut-wrenching, indescribably painful event; what was so particularly unbelievable about this case was that the judge, one Steven G. Salant, came uncomfortably close to blaming the victim for her own violation. This is UNACCEPTABLE from someone who supposedly represents the assertion of justice in an uncertain world. When a judge can turn on an underage victim because she had the misfortune of being ASSAULTED by THREE young men who could&#039;ve easily chosen otherwise -- well, you know something is sick and rotten within our society. What if she were your own child or a child you knew and loved? 

I beg you, please, don&#039;t let this sort of behavior stand from the officials that the public is supposed to trust and respect. An adult man (Salant) incapable of respecting that a young girl has the right to drink and party without then being brutally assaulted, has the right to act flirtatious without being forcibly penetrated, is not a man capable of making sound judgments on behalf of the state of Maryland. He sounds a bit like these three young rapists who couldn&#039;t determine for themselves that this girl did not ask to be brutalized.

I was born in &#039;83 in Bethesda Naval Hospital to a black woman with a history of abuse (who was also a Naval Officer, who pioneered this path for other women like her) and have since moved all around this &quot;great&quot; country. So I have seen many horrible things happen to many wonderful people and I know, absolutely without a doubt, that blaming young women for having the misfortune of living in a violent, rape-fueled culture is NOT how we will achieve a better world. Young men of all races and backgrounds need to be held accountable for their violent actions. No man of any age or status has the right to &quot;take&quot; sex from anyone else. No man is ever entitled to anything from any woman, unless consent is granted. I think this country needs to have this message drilled into its collective mind. 

Thank you for reading this message, I hope that I&#039;ve expressed myself clearly enough. I refrained from the coarse and angry language I wanted to use, in hopes that more of my intent will get through. I feel so sick, as do many, many other women that I know, that this even happens, this blaming of rape victims who were said to be &quot;asking for it&quot; -- yet, have we stopped teaching boys NOT to rape? Have we successfully educated young men about simple human respect and decency? Is that why these three young men could drag a drunk girl to a bathroom and f*** her without her consent? Is that why a male judge could then lay BLAME on this young girl, implicating her in her own unconscionable RAPE? Right, because no girl should ever drink, have fun, and engage in flirting. Sure, that&#039;s fair to expect of young women, whereas we should expect absolutely nothing but sexually violent reactions from men? Right.

This stains Montgomery County and it stains Maryland. It is absolutely foul. Please, investigate this issue, reprimand this judge Steven Salant, or remove him from his post. Perhaps your court officials could benefit from rape/victim sensitivity training? That this happened once is almost too much to believe -- but I have no doubt that if this incident is ignored, more victims will experience unfair prosecution, and justice will have been a myth all along. Is that all we, as human beings, are capable of? Hurting others and blaming them for their own hurt? After all these civilized years? Have men still not heard the memo about choosing NOT to rape? Or the message about choosing to RESPECT young women?

Again, thank you for your time. I hope that this message is heard. It is likely not the first nor the last you will receive on this issue.
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What&#039;s up with judges flouting their own baggage? This reminds me of this douchebag eviscerated &lt;a href=&quot;http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/06/well-tell-you-if-you-were-raped-little.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here at Shakesville&lt;/a&gt;. How can these men even walk upright and make intelligent sounds? I have more respect for the wormy things I find underneath big rocks. 

Sure sending an irate letter won&#039;t help any, but it felt good, especially after reading through the comments. You&#039;re all amazing people, do you know that? Except Jara, holy crap. So sad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, this is what I sent to the Governor&#8217;s office.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Greetings Governor O&#8217;Malley!</p>
<p>I was just made aware of the Montgomery County case (article: <a href="http://www.gazette.net/stories/10212009/rocknew222349_32522.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.gazette.net/stories/10212009/rocknew222349_32522.shtml</a>) involving three young boys accused of raping an unconscious girl at a party, while they were all students at Col. Zadok Magruder High School. Obviously, rape in any circumstance is a harrowing, gut-wrenching, indescribably painful event; what was so particularly unbelievable about this case was that the judge, one Steven G. Salant, came uncomfortably close to blaming the victim for her own violation. This is UNACCEPTABLE from someone who supposedly represents the assertion of justice in an uncertain world. When a judge can turn on an underage victim because she had the misfortune of being ASSAULTED by THREE young men who could&#8217;ve easily chosen otherwise &#8212; well, you know something is sick and rotten within our society. What if she were your own child or a child you knew and loved? </p>
<p>I beg you, please, don&#8217;t let this sort of behavior stand from the officials that the public is supposed to trust and respect. An adult man (Salant) incapable of respecting that a young girl has the right to drink and party without then being brutally assaulted, has the right to act flirtatious without being forcibly penetrated, is not a man capable of making sound judgments on behalf of the state of Maryland. He sounds a bit like these three young rapists who couldn&#8217;t determine for themselves that this girl did not ask to be brutalized.</p>
<p>I was born in &#8217;83 in Bethesda Naval Hospital to a black woman with a history of abuse (who was also a Naval Officer, who pioneered this path for other women like her) and have since moved all around this &#8220;great&#8221; country. So I have seen many horrible things happen to many wonderful people and I know, absolutely without a doubt, that blaming young women for having the misfortune of living in a violent, rape-fueled culture is NOT how we will achieve a better world. Young men of all races and backgrounds need to be held accountable for their violent actions. No man of any age or status has the right to &#8220;take&#8221; sex from anyone else. No man is ever entitled to anything from any woman, unless consent is granted. I think this country needs to have this message drilled into its collective mind. </p>
<p>Thank you for reading this message, I hope that I&#8217;ve expressed myself clearly enough. I refrained from the coarse and angry language I wanted to use, in hopes that more of my intent will get through. I feel so sick, as do many, many other women that I know, that this even happens, this blaming of rape victims who were said to be &#8220;asking for it&#8221; &#8212; yet, have we stopped teaching boys NOT to rape? Have we successfully educated young men about simple human respect and decency? Is that why these three young men could drag a drunk girl to a bathroom and f*** her without her consent? Is that why a male judge could then lay BLAME on this young girl, implicating her in her own unconscionable RAPE? Right, because no girl should ever drink, have fun, and engage in flirting. Sure, that&#8217;s fair to expect of young women, whereas we should expect absolutely nothing but sexually violent reactions from men? Right.</p>
<p>This stains Montgomery County and it stains Maryland. It is absolutely foul. Please, investigate this issue, reprimand this judge Steven Salant, or remove him from his post. Perhaps your court officials could benefit from rape/victim sensitivity training? That this happened once is almost too much to believe &#8212; but I have no doubt that if this incident is ignored, more victims will experience unfair prosecution, and justice will have been a myth all along. Is that all we, as human beings, are capable of? Hurting others and blaming them for their own hurt? After all these civilized years? Have men still not heard the memo about choosing NOT to rape? Or the message about choosing to RESPECT young women?</p>
<p>Again, thank you for your time. I hope that this message is heard. It is likely not the first nor the last you will receive on this issue.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s up with judges flouting their own baggage? This reminds me of this douchebag eviscerated <a href="http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/06/well-tell-you-if-you-were-raped-little.html" rel="nofollow"> here at Shakesville</a>. How can these men even walk upright and make intelligent sounds? I have more respect for the wormy things I find underneath big rocks. </p>
<p>Sure sending an irate letter won&#8217;t help any, but it felt good, especially after reading through the comments. You&#8217;re all amazing people, do you know that? Except Jara, holy crap. So sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Alina</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s sad that guys seem to think gang-raping a drunk girl is some form of &quot;male bonding&quot; to be proud of.  Really, what&#039;s respectable about &quot;having sex&quot; with a girl that&#039;s so drunk she can barely stand?  Back in my day guys would get all excited about the &quot;thrill of the hunt.&quot;  I blame porn.  Teenagers are no longer interested charming women into bed, it&#039;s just about getting off.  Do the deed, get another beer.  Gross.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sad that guys seem to think gang-raping a drunk girl is some form of &#8220;male bonding&#8221; to be proud of.  Really, what&#8217;s respectable about &#8220;having sex&#8221; with a girl that&#8217;s so drunk she can barely stand?  Back in my day guys would get all excited about the &#8220;thrill of the hunt.&#8221;  I blame porn.  Teenagers are no longer interested charming women into bed, it&#8217;s just about getting off.  Do the deed, get another beer.  Gross.</p>
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		<title>By: polly styrene</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[polly styrene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A postscript, the cops over here are doing yet another, &quot;don&#039;t drink because if you do it&#039;ll be your fault you&#039;re raped, you stupid slut&quot;, sorry I mean &lt;em&gt;awareness&lt;/em&gt; campaign over here, they do them every Christmas, as if it wasn&#039;t bad enough already. Let&#039;s face it: alcohol is the only good thing about Christmas. 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8385048.stm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A postscript, the cops over here are doing yet another, &#8220;don&#8217;t drink because if you do it&#8217;ll be your fault you&#8217;re raped, you stupid slut&#8221;, sorry I mean <em>awareness</em> campaign over here, they do them every Christmas, as if it wasn&#8217;t bad enough already. Let&#8217;s face it: alcohol is the only good thing about Christmas. </p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8385048.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8385048.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nine Deuce</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nine Deuce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[She&#039;s an asshole. I&#039;m sure whatever her opinions on date rape are, I disagree.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s an asshole. I&#8217;m sure whatever her opinions on date rape are, I disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: aray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[what do you think of camille paglia&#039;s opinions on date rape?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what do you think of camille paglia&#8217;s opinions on date rape?</p>
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