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		<title>By: onlinegames7777</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2009/03/19/kyle-payne-is-a-sexual-predator/#comment-10997</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[onlinegames7777]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know Kyle Payne but in case this story is true,  people should be aware of him coming back to blogging. I think the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.Tuki.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;parental control software&lt;/a&gt;  administrators should be aware of this man and block links to his harmful sites to protect their subscribers from falling victim by this man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know Kyle Payne but in case this story is true,  people should be aware of him coming back to blogging. I think the <a href="http://www.Tuki.com" rel="nofollow">parental control software</a>  administrators should be aware of this man and block links to his harmful sites to protect their subscribers from falling victim by this man.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Feminist&#8221; men &#171; Learning Feminism</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2009/03/19/kyle-payne-is-a-sexual-predator/#comment-10469</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#8220;Feminist&#8221; men &#171; Learning Feminism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Kyle Payne was a popular pro-feminist/anti-porn blogger until it came out that he sexually assaulted a woman (Nine Deuce’s take). [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Kyle Payne was a popular pro-feminist/anti-porn blogger until it came out that he sexually assaulted a woman (Nine Deuce’s take). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: plainjane</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2009/03/19/kyle-payne-is-a-sexual-predator/#comment-7588</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, so what would you call a person who sexually violates another person who is physically incapacitated and cannot give consent?

Gee, thanks for the uninformed male perspective.  We NEVER get a chance to hear that.  It&#039;s certainly very important that those of us who have been following this story for months and are most at risk for harm from people such as KP take into account the thoughts of a dude who just happened upon the story and spent an entire five minutes getting the gist of what happened.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so what would you call a person who sexually violates another person who is physically incapacitated and cannot give consent?</p>
<p>Gee, thanks for the uninformed male perspective.  We NEVER get a chance to hear that.  It&#8217;s certainly very important that those of us who have been following this story for months and are most at risk for harm from people such as KP take into account the thoughts of a dude who just happened upon the story and spent an entire five minutes getting the gist of what happened.</p>
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		<title>By: isme</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2009/03/19/kyle-payne-is-a-sexual-predator/#comment-7586</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[isme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s the odd not for profit online pimping games, where each player tries to extend their little empire and attack those of other players.

The one that really stood out for me had the first prostitute owned by the player be their little sister.  Normally in games like this, prostitutes can become unhappy, and you have to let them keep more of their earnings or give them drugs to placate you, but in this one, you can also *let* them perform oral sex on you, which makes them happy and increases your score.  Prostitutes could be as young as 14, but apparently the special pedophilia rules hadn&#039;t been ironed out yet, they were still working on that.

Also memorable in that the person responsible for this also happened to call themselves &quot;Isme&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s the odd not for profit online pimping games, where each player tries to extend their little empire and attack those of other players.</p>
<p>The one that really stood out for me had the first prostitute owned by the player be their little sister.  Normally in games like this, prostitutes can become unhappy, and you have to let them keep more of their earnings or give them drugs to placate you, but in this one, you can also *let* them perform oral sex on you, which makes them happy and increases your score.  Prostitutes could be as young as 14, but apparently the special pedophilia rules hadn&#8217;t been ironed out yet, they were still working on that.</p>
<p>Also memorable in that the person responsible for this also happened to call themselves &#8220;Isme&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: harmony</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2009/03/19/kyle-payne-is-a-sexual-predator/#comment-7580</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[harmony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 05:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i wanted to tell you about this, but can&#039;t figure out how to email you directly, and didn&#039;t know which blog entry i should stick it under, but i figured this one was pretty good. 

www.telegraph.co.uk


A PC game that allows players to gang rape virtual women – and then force them to have an abortion – has been banned from Amazon 
In Rapelay, gamers direct a character to sexually assault a mother and her two young daughters at an underground station, before raping any of a selection female characters. 

The game was intended for release just in Japan, but was on offer to British buyers through Amazon Marketplace, the section of the online store&#039;s website open to third-party sellers. 

But Amazon has now withdrawn the game after complaints from users, deeming it to be inappropriate. &quot;We determined that we did not want to be selling this particular item,&quot; a spokeswoman said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wanted to tell you about this, but can&#8217;t figure out how to email you directly, and didn&#8217;t know which blog entry i should stick it under, but i figured this one was pretty good. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk</a></p>
<p>A PC game that allows players to gang rape virtual women – and then force them to have an abortion – has been banned from Amazon<br />
In Rapelay, gamers direct a character to sexually assault a mother and her two young daughters at an underground station, before raping any of a selection female characters. </p>
<p>The game was intended for release just in Japan, but was on offer to British buyers through Amazon Marketplace, the section of the online store&#8217;s website open to third-party sellers. </p>
<p>But Amazon has now withdrawn the game after complaints from users, deeming it to be inappropriate. &#8220;We determined that we did not want to be selling this particular item,&#8221; a spokeswoman said.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2009/03/19/kyle-payne-is-a-sexual-predator/#comment-7383</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 01:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hi there, i just pressed my &#039;stumbleupon&#039; button and got to this site, and saw this post.  I understand the desire to vilify him, but when i looked into it and read about what he had done, i don&#039;t think what he did can be called rape exactly.  I don&#039;t mean to say that he is a good guy, but only that it is dangerous for you to be saying he is a rapist if he didn&#039;t rape anybody, because that is illegal and can be considered slander. anyways, just thought it would be wise to re-write your post.  other than that, keep up the good work!!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi there, i just pressed my &#8216;stumbleupon&#8217; button and got to this site, and saw this post.  I understand the desire to vilify him, but when i looked into it and read about what he had done, i don&#8217;t think what he did can be called rape exactly.  I don&#8217;t mean to say that he is a good guy, but only that it is dangerous for you to be saying he is a rapist if he didn&#8217;t rape anybody, because that is illegal and can be considered slander. anyways, just thought it would be wise to re-write your post.  other than that, keep up the good work!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Laurelin</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2009/03/19/kyle-payne-is-a-sexual-predator/#comment-7197</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laurelin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, Nine, I don&#039;t think you are guilty of that. There&#039;s a difference between posting nasty comments and approving of them, although personally I prefer not to post them in the first place as I often find it hard to argue alongside triggering comments, or to look at my own blog with them there. But I&#039;m thinking of sex pos blogs in which these men are approved of, justified and have excuses made for them regardless of the crapness of their behaviour. I don&#039;t see you doing that here.

As for general stuff on blog commenting policy- it sure is a minefield, and does of course depend upon what the blogger themself is trying to achieve. The problem with allowing comments that disagree (as opposed to those that are out and out abusive) is that there may be underlying hostility to those comments that is visible to some and not to others. This can make it harder for survivors to feel safe to comment. On the other hand, having the comments of those diametrically opposed is useful in that it illustrates precisely the bullshit one is fighting against. It shows people the reality of what is going on here. 

Clearly, whatever policy is chosen, there are upsides and downsides. I will publish opposing comments if they are a) polite and b) not written by someone who has abused feminists elsewhere in the blogosphere. This is the line I choose so that (hopefully) most women to whom my words are useful and meaningful will feel comfortable to comment, and those who do not comment will at least feel able to read there with the least amount of discomfort. My priority is a safe space in which we can cut through the bullshit language of abuse and abusers and say things as they are. However, if my priority was to have a debate with as many voices as possible, my method would possibly not be ideal. I want to air my thoughts and hear from like-minded individuals.

I have very high standards of what constitutes politeness- or so I am told. But this is because I have an intense and accute awareness of hostility beneath the veneer of polite words. 

However, I think that I, like you, am also trying to convince people, if I am completely honest with myself and everyone here. To what extent I can do that I do not know, and others would have to tell me. All I do know is that many women find it easier to comment at my blog because there is a lack of sex-pos abusive comments at my place. Not taking their shit has made a big difference to my blog, and, lo and behold, they seldom bother me now at my blog home. Nasty posts elsewhere, sure, but I don&#039;t read them so it doesn&#039;t affect me (I know what they&#039;re gonna say anyway, why waste my time? :p )However, it took me about 2-3 yrs to make up my mind about what to do in terms of comment policy!

Anyway, sorry for the tangent. That&#039;s meant to say that I was not aiming at you, Nine, when I commented, and to give my take on comment policy issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Nine, I don&#8217;t think you are guilty of that. There&#8217;s a difference between posting nasty comments and approving of them, although personally I prefer not to post them in the first place as I often find it hard to argue alongside triggering comments, or to look at my own blog with them there. But I&#8217;m thinking of sex pos blogs in which these men are approved of, justified and have excuses made for them regardless of the crapness of their behaviour. I don&#8217;t see you doing that here.</p>
<p>As for general stuff on blog commenting policy- it sure is a minefield, and does of course depend upon what the blogger themself is trying to achieve. The problem with allowing comments that disagree (as opposed to those that are out and out abusive) is that there may be underlying hostility to those comments that is visible to some and not to others. This can make it harder for survivors to feel safe to comment. On the other hand, having the comments of those diametrically opposed is useful in that it illustrates precisely the bullshit one is fighting against. It shows people the reality of what is going on here. </p>
<p>Clearly, whatever policy is chosen, there are upsides and downsides. I will publish opposing comments if they are a) polite and b) not written by someone who has abused feminists elsewhere in the blogosphere. This is the line I choose so that (hopefully) most women to whom my words are useful and meaningful will feel comfortable to comment, and those who do not comment will at least feel able to read there with the least amount of discomfort. My priority is a safe space in which we can cut through the bullshit language of abuse and abusers and say things as they are. However, if my priority was to have a debate with as many voices as possible, my method would possibly not be ideal. I want to air my thoughts and hear from like-minded individuals.</p>
<p>I have very high standards of what constitutes politeness- or so I am told. But this is because I have an intense and accute awareness of hostility beneath the veneer of polite words. </p>
<p>However, I think that I, like you, am also trying to convince people, if I am completely honest with myself and everyone here. To what extent I can do that I do not know, and others would have to tell me. All I do know is that many women find it easier to comment at my blog because there is a lack of sex-pos abusive comments at my place. Not taking their shit has made a big difference to my blog, and, lo and behold, they seldom bother me now at my blog home. Nasty posts elsewhere, sure, but I don&#8217;t read them so it doesn&#8217;t affect me (I know what they&#8217;re gonna say anyway, why waste my time? :p )However, it took me about 2-3 yrs to make up my mind about what to do in terms of comment policy!</p>
<p>Anyway, sorry for the tangent. That&#8217;s meant to say that I was not aiming at you, Nine, when I commented, and to give my take on comment policy issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Nine Deuce</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2009/03/19/kyle-payne-is-a-sexual-predator/#comment-7196</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nine Deuce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Am I guilty of allowing that? I&#039;ve had a hard time balancing audiences and moderating discussions on issues like these. My goal is to convince the largest number of people that my stance is the right/ethical/etc. stance, but to do so I have to take on people who disagree with me. I think there&#039;s some value in having the other side stated by the other side so that I can refute their objections as they arise, and so that fence-sitters can see what&#039;s going on for themselves. I for one really appreciated the way that you and Delphyne cut through a lot of the bullshit in some of the arguments presented in this last go-around, and I think that might not have been possible had I not allowed open discussion. I&#039;ve been struggling with figuring out a comment policy that will allow radfems to discuss things here and allow me to throw down with non rad-fems at the same time.

PS - You needn&#039;t worry about self-aggrandizement. I&#039;m all about it. Here&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://laurelin.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/thoughts-on-consent/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt; to that post Laurelin mentioned. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I guilty of allowing that? I&#8217;ve had a hard time balancing audiences and moderating discussions on issues like these. My goal is to convince the largest number of people that my stance is the right/ethical/etc. stance, but to do so I have to take on people who disagree with me. I think there&#8217;s some value in having the other side stated by the other side so that I can refute their objections as they arise, and so that fence-sitters can see what&#8217;s going on for themselves. I for one really appreciated the way that you and Delphyne cut through a lot of the bullshit in some of the arguments presented in this last go-around, and I think that might not have been possible had I not allowed open discussion. I&#8217;ve been struggling with figuring out a comment policy that will allow radfems to discuss things here and allow me to throw down with non rad-fems at the same time.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; You needn&#8217;t worry about self-aggrandizement. I&#8217;m all about it. Here&#8217;s a <a href="http://laurelin.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/thoughts-on-consent/" rel="nofollow">link</a> to that post Laurelin mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurelin</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2009/03/19/kyle-payne-is-a-sexual-predator/#comment-7194</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laurelin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We should not allow men to just say &#039;oh I am against rape&#039; and then invite them into the feminist hold despite the fact that they admit to enjoying playing power games and harming women.  I do not understand, and never will, why these men are allowed in so-called feminist spaces. I do not understand why their comments are permitted, and why they are allowed to run roughshod over women who dare to question them in comment threads. It must be great to be one of the sexy/ nice/ real women who these boys praise, but you must spare a moment for the women they shout down and abuse, particularly when these women are themselves survivors. It&#039;s really not that much to ask- it&#039;s just human decency.

In an act of shameless self-promotion, I suggest people read my recent post &#039;On Consent&#039; which says it all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should not allow men to just say &#8216;oh I am against rape&#8217; and then invite them into the feminist hold despite the fact that they admit to enjoying playing power games and harming women.  I do not understand, and never will, why these men are allowed in so-called feminist spaces. I do not understand why their comments are permitted, and why they are allowed to run roughshod over women who dare to question them in comment threads. It must be great to be one of the sexy/ nice/ real women who these boys praise, but you must spare a moment for the women they shout down and abuse, particularly when these women are themselves survivors. It&#8217;s really not that much to ask- it&#8217;s just human decency.</p>
<p>In an act of shameless self-promotion, I suggest people read my recent post &#8216;On Consent&#8217; which says it all.</p>
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		<title>By: delphyne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[delphyne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It appears there&#039;s a few of us. :D

That bunch are one reason why I would never go near sex pozzie blogs.  I&#039;m not going to hang out around sexually abusive, misogynistic men like that.  I don&#039;t understand how any woman could TBH.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears there&#8217;s a few of us. :D</p>
<p>That bunch are one reason why I would never go near sex pozzie blogs.  I&#8217;m not going to hang out around sexually abusive, misogynistic men like that.  I don&#8217;t understand how any woman could TBH.</p>
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