Kyle Payne is a sexual predator.

19 Mar

I just want to make sure that anyone googling info on Kyle Payne knows that, despite his bullshit posturing, he’s a fucking miscreant rapist piece of shit. I was thinking about ignoring his return to blogging because he is, after all, a nugatory flea with a readership of about four (minus the hits he gets from feminists telling him to kill himself and quit pretending to membership in our movement) who doesn’t deserve the attention, but Ren’s post convinced me that wasn’t the right way to go (see Genevieve’s take here as well).

So, Kyle, here’s what I think you ought to do: go ahead and blog about whatever lefty political shit you think you have something interesting to say about (you don’t; your writing is terrifyingly boring, derivative, and banal), but please add some kind of disclaimer at the bottom of each post to alert the reader to the fact that, while you might hold all kinds of fancy anti-oppression opinions, your actions do not mesh with them. You see, it’s unethical for you to present yourself as an activist who cares about women’s right to live free from male abuse when you are yourself an abuser of women. And I’m not using the present tense on accident; I don’t believe that sexual predators can magically remorse themselves out of the belief that women are there for the abusing, and I therefore don’t believe that you’ve lost the urge to do so. 

If you can’t take the embarrassment of including that disclaimer, then maybe you ought to get the fuck off of the internet. I for one can’t believe your sense of shame doesn’t keep you from writing, but I suppose I ought to not be all that surprised, given the fact that you had the nerve to claim to be a radical feminist while commiting sex crimes. 

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55 Responses to “Kyle Payne is a sexual predator.”

  1. Gayle March 19, 2009 at 11:51 PM #

    I have no idea who this person is.

    I’ll take your word for it and refrain from the links.

    • Nine Deuce March 20, 2009 at 12:36 AM #

      The link is just to my old post about him. I’m not giving him any traffic.

  2. leis March 20, 2009 at 1:56 AM #

    Is the guy fucking blogging from prison? When the fuck is justice served?

  3. Aileen Wuornos March 20, 2009 at 2:35 AM #

    All I know is, if he’s done it once, he WILL do it again. Because that’s the way those pieces of fucking shit operate.
    What a cunt. I hope he rots.

    • bonobobabe March 20, 2009 at 9:02 PM #

      Excuse me, when did it become OK to use the C word, whether directed at men or women?

      • Nine Deuce March 21, 2009 at 2:38 PM #

        I’ve got to add my agreement on this one. I’d rather not hear the word at all, but there’s also the factor of using a word for female genitalia to refer to someone ass hateful as this asshole. I think it reflects badly on “cunt” more than the other way around.

  4. Trinity March 20, 2009 at 3:39 AM #

    “I was thinking about ignoring his return to blogging because he is, after all, a nugatory flea with a readership of about four (minus the hits he gets from feminists telling him to kill himself and quit pretending to membership in our movement) who doesn’t deserve the attention, but Ren’s post convinced me that wasn’t the right way to go (see Genevieve’s take here as well).”

    Yeah, that’s pretty much how I felt too (the nugatory flea thing.) But… yeah, people who weren’t here for the original iteration of this need to be warned about him, I think.

    Yuck.

  5. Lindsay March 20, 2009 at 6:07 AM #

    I have to admit, I was curious, and went to his about page. He sounds like one of those guys who’s supposed to be in college but really looks 45 and has that weird bushy beard thing and talks way too softly… and then whips out his penis and calls it free spirited and revolutionary.

  6. RenegadeEvolution March 20, 2009 at 8:55 AM #

    Thanks ND. I plan to cyber-haunt this SOB until one of us is in the grave.

  7. Laurel March 20, 2009 at 9:34 AM #

    He’s BACK?

    Has the man no shame?

  8. Faith March 20, 2009 at 11:38 AM #

    “I just want to make sure that anyone googling info on Kyle Payne knows that, despite his bullshit posturing, he’s a fucking miscreant rapist piece of shit.”

    I see I’m not the only one who called him a rapist piece of shit. I believe I also referred to him as a fucking fuckface.

  9. Evo March 20, 2009 at 1:50 PM #

    Oh no he fucking didn’t. I am pretty much just choking on rage right now and have absolutely nothing to contribute but growly gibberish interspersed with the word “fuck”.

  10. feministatsea March 20, 2009 at 2:56 PM #

    I think that “google bombing” or whatever works better with an actual link to something. Shame he hasn’t got a wikipedia page with pictures of him and descriptions about his crimes and his hypocrisy. I would so link him to that several thousand times. Fucking disgusting asshole that he is.

    • syndicalist702 March 21, 2009 at 2:30 PM #

      There’s no wiki for “douche bag” either.

      *le sigh*

  11. Outis March 20, 2009 at 6:49 PM #

    As if anyone needed more evidence as to this guy’s true nature….

    He just posted a comment over at Rens place. Totaly unbelievable!

    Great post btw

  12. Occasional Expositor March 21, 2009 at 12:26 AM #

    He really is a piece of work. He’s still minimising what he did and not taking responsibility at all.

    He’s claiming it was a ‘one-off’ and he’s now so much more self-aware and unlikely to do it again.

    I call bullshit. This man is a dangerous predator.

    • L March 22, 2009 at 3:24 AM #

      Yeah, didn’t he essentially say in that post that there’s no pattern of abuse because it just happened once so folks should just get over it and move on? Jesus, he’s such an entitled predatory fuckwit.

  13. Rachael March 21, 2009 at 11:24 AM #

    This guy makes my stomach turn. He’s got a lot of…Nerve? Gall? No, not severe enough. Someone help me out here.

    • isme March 21, 2009 at 3:40 PM #

      Having nerve/gall isn’t by itself a bad thing, it’s what the person does with it.

      Hubris or arrogance or deluded beliefs about his own importance might be closer.

  14. syndicalist702 March 21, 2009 at 2:28 PM #

    I’m not a feminist. I’m a recovering sexist. xD

  15. L March 22, 2009 at 3:33 AM #

    I commented on his blog today telling him basically the same thing (hadn’t read this post yet — radfem hivemind in effect, I suppose), and he has already applied disclaimers to all of the posts that invoke feminist/pro-feminist theory. He’s also asking for input about the disclaimer, if anyone would like to offer him insight — one need not go to his blog, as he commented on my post with the disclaimer.

    I am skeptical that anything more useful will come of it, but at least he was responsive to this particular request. I can’t shake the feeling that he has interpreted my suggestions for how he can make his blog safer for new readers who find his blog and somehow miss all the other information about him as me being an easy target or something. I’m still absolutely skeezed out by his return to his blog and find it abhorrent that a dozen feminist bloggers had to ask him wtf was up before he made any follow-up commentary about the assault. And then his follow-up commentary is SO fucking defensive and condescending. Just get off the internet if you can’t respond with decency to people’s TOTALLY VALID reactions to your terrible crimes, you know?

    Bleh. Hate.

  16. Faith March 23, 2009 at 3:32 PM #

    “He’s also asking for input about the disclaimer, if anyone would like to offer him insight — one need not go to his blog, as he commented on my post with the disclaimer.”

    He posted his disclaimer at Ren’s. I have already responded to him there with this:

    I believe that your disclaimer is complete and total bullshit. Why do I believe that your disclaimer is complete and total bullshit? Because you shouldn’t even have anything feminist or even woman-related on your blog at all. Given that I believe that your ass should still be sitting in a jail cell, you shouldn’t even have a blog.

    You have forfeited any right you ever had to be involved in feminist-related activities in any capacity or fashion. Hell, as far as I’m concerned, you’ve forfeited your right to even be within 50 feet of anyone with a vagina.

    • L March 23, 2009 at 9:17 PM #

      I’ve deleted his comment to my blog. I find the presence of his name there too triggering to be worth it. I’m glad you responded as you did at Ren’s, Faith. You’re right on all counts.

  17. Polly Styrene March 23, 2009 at 6:22 PM #

    A thought:

    Kyle Payne is a sexual predator who got caught.

    There are lots of ‘nice’ lefty men who haven’t got caught of course. Because Mr Payne is hardly the only sex offender on planet earth. But if I say this I am apparently some crazed Dworkinite who thinks all men are rapists.

    Or realistic, yer pays yer money and takes yer choice.

    • Margaret Jamison March 24, 2009 at 11:12 AM #

      Thank you, Polly.

      Payne is a scapegoat. Man-loving feminists want to purge themselves of this one example, as if it will allow them to go on with all the other males in perfect feminist harmony (males, who, as you know, most likely simply haven’t been caught yet, and most likely won’t ever be caught since man-loving feminists aren’t going to go digging around for it).

      But I reckon I’m one of those realistic Dworkinites you’re talking about.

      Margie

      • pisaquaririse March 24, 2009 at 5:31 PM #

        I’m with Polly and Margie here. Kyle Payne is a predatory shitbag, as was stated not too long ago–by many. The amount of time and emotional energy toward making this point has reached a state of disproportionate theatrics.

        If Mr. Payne is to become the whipping boy of sex crime we show ourselves a pretty ill-informed bunch.

        • Nine Deuce March 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM #

          I don’t disagree, but I do think it’s a good idea to make sure he doesn’t get away with pretending to be an advocate for women.

          • pisaquaririse March 24, 2009 at 7:18 PM #

            Yeah–but the corner of the blogosphere that knows that is essentially the same one that knew that months ago. I’m confused as to how this new energy is going to do anything different??

            We would make better use of ourselves contacting the shelters and women’s programs Kyle might fancy volunteering/counseling for in the future. A quick search on Google provides lots of results. That and making sure Women’s departments in Iowa or those he may have given “talks” for in the past (there was once info on this–cached pages?) are aware he is not in custody.

            Sorry–not trying to detract or accuse you of anything ND. But I do find this whole “Who Hates Kyle Payne the Mostest” showdown quite circular and a bit obnoxious.

          • margiejamison March 24, 2009 at 7:25 PM #

            But why him in particular, 92? Why is it so important to make sure he in particular doesn’t get away with it, when putting out a feminist APB about *all* males would be far less time-consuming (as in, detracting from other, less man-focused stuff)? That way, you’ve taken care of Payne, as well as any others who just haven’t been caught yet.

            Is it really the intention of certain feminists to go about making an impossible distinction between men who are capable of rape but don’t, and men who are capable of rape and do? Isn’t it enough that we know who’s capable, and that the folks who are capable are the same ones who are downright encouraged to rape and sexually assault?

            Margie

            • Nine Deuce March 25, 2009 at 1:08 AM #

              I think I do a lot of drawing attention to that fact. I spend quite a bit of effort on it, actually. Much more than the 3 minutes it took me to compose this post. I completely understand what everyone is saying, and I agree that there might be better uses of our energy than focusing on this one dude, but I think the hypocrisy of his claims coupled with his abuses is what is getting to everyone. Anyway, he’s most certainly not the whole of the problem, nor the best use of our time.

  18. Faith March 25, 2009 at 11:54 AM #

    “Anyway, he’s most certainly not the whole of the problem,”

    Nor has anyone claimed that he is, which is why I find this discussion odd. Directing attention at one sex offender to ensure that women are warned about the -known- wolf in sheep’s clothing is not ignoring the fact that there are countless other wolves in sheep clothing wandering the planet.

  19. margiejamison March 25, 2009 at 7:19 PM #

    So, Faith, like I said, is the plan, then, to pick them off one by one? If not, the focus on Payne is diversionary. (And if so, the work is certainly cut out for you, and you might want to get on with it.) And, anyway, it’s not as if anyone here was actually warning the women who might run across Payne in real life. So, the fact that warning those women might do those women some good is kind a moot point, considering that’s not what anyone here was doing anyway.

    Margie

  20. Faith March 25, 2009 at 9:48 PM #

    Margie,

    Warning women on the internet about Kyle Payne increases the likelihood that they won’t be taken in by his bullshit pandering. Some women who know him in real life could also do internet searches for him, perhaps to look for his blog, for instance. This means that these women would be able to distance themselves from him after learning of his behavior.

    • margiejamison March 25, 2009 at 10:49 PM #

      As if they *don’t* have to worry about any other men who might happen by?

      Warning women against all men takes care of Kyle Payne (one could even include his specific name as a tag on such a warning). Warning women about Kyle Payne only alerts women looking specifically for Kyle Payne, on the internet.

      The whole argument against that was that it was very short-sighted. It still is.

      • Nine Deuce March 25, 2009 at 11:10 PM #

        It would be short-sighted if it were the only warning that had been made, but I don’t think anyone can say that about this blog.

      • delphyne March 29, 2009 at 12:53 AM #

        Mmmm yes. it’s not as if it isn’t quite obvious that there are a number of rapists or would-be rapists who hang around feminist blogs for example, trying to have debate and dialogue. Somehow people appear to be blind to the predators in our midst.

        FFS, there were men right here recently who get their kicks sexually torturing women in the most horrendous ways possible. Somehow their admitted behaviour doesn’t create the same uproar and calls to warn women about them, even though there were clear examples of their grooming and brainwashing the women they had targeted.

        • Nine Deuce March 29, 2009 at 2:06 AM #

          I do my best, and I approach everything in the way I think will do the most good, which is all I can do.

          • delphyne March 29, 2009 at 2:47 PM #

            I don’t think you’re wrong to publicise Kyle Payne. It’s just as other people are saying, he’s the “acceptable” male abuser of women to condemn, which leaves the obvious others free to continue their activities. I don’t see any of the sex pozzies getting their knickers in a twist about the guy who had clearly groomed his girlfriend into sexual torture. He’s as obvious as Kyle Payne yet nobody wanted to talk about him – they just hid behind the “she consented” excuse.

            And the sex pozzies hang around with a whole lot of other scumbags and creeps and ignore their misogyny and abuse of women.

            Why aren’t we talking about IACB or Anthony Kennerson or Voice? How about Ernest Greene the scumbag pornographer? They are cut from the same cloth as Kyle Payne – seeing women as objects to use in a sadistic and perverted manner. If they can claim so-called consent though they haven’t committed any crime so we’re supposed to STFU about it and ignore what they are doing to women.

            • Faith March 29, 2009 at 5:18 PM #

              Oops, guess i should have clicked reply to delphyne’s post. as it is, i’m guessing my response will post at the bottom of the list.

              i’m still getting the hang of being able to respond to individual comments…

            • Laurelin March 29, 2009 at 6:09 PM #

              What Delphyne said. Presactly.

            • Laurelin March 29, 2009 at 10:14 PM #

              We should not allow men to just say ‘oh I am against rape’ and then invite them into the feminist hold despite the fact that they admit to enjoying playing power games and harming women. I do not understand, and never will, why these men are allowed in so-called feminist spaces. I do not understand why their comments are permitted, and why they are allowed to run roughshod over women who dare to question them in comment threads. It must be great to be one of the sexy/ nice/ real women who these boys praise, but you must spare a moment for the women they shout down and abuse, particularly when these women are themselves survivors. It’s really not that much to ask- it’s just human decency.

              In an act of shameless self-promotion, I suggest people read my recent post ‘On Consent’ which says it all.

              • Nine Deuce March 29, 2009 at 10:53 PM #

                Am I guilty of allowing that? I’ve had a hard time balancing audiences and moderating discussions on issues like these. My goal is to convince the largest number of people that my stance is the right/ethical/etc. stance, but to do so I have to take on people who disagree with me. I think there’s some value in having the other side stated by the other side so that I can refute their objections as they arise, and so that fence-sitters can see what’s going on for themselves. I for one really appreciated the way that you and Delphyne cut through a lot of the bullshit in some of the arguments presented in this last go-around, and I think that might not have been possible had I not allowed open discussion. I’ve been struggling with figuring out a comment policy that will allow radfems to discuss things here and allow me to throw down with non rad-fems at the same time.

                PS – You needn’t worry about self-aggrandizement. I’m all about it. Here’s a link to that post Laurelin mentioned.

                • Laurelin March 29, 2009 at 11:08 PM #

                  No, Nine, I don’t think you are guilty of that. There’s a difference between posting nasty comments and approving of them, although personally I prefer not to post them in the first place as I often find it hard to argue alongside triggering comments, or to look at my own blog with them there. But I’m thinking of sex pos blogs in which these men are approved of, justified and have excuses made for them regardless of the crapness of their behaviour. I don’t see you doing that here.

                  As for general stuff on blog commenting policy- it sure is a minefield, and does of course depend upon what the blogger themself is trying to achieve. The problem with allowing comments that disagree (as opposed to those that are out and out abusive) is that there may be underlying hostility to those comments that is visible to some and not to others. This can make it harder for survivors to feel safe to comment. On the other hand, having the comments of those diametrically opposed is useful in that it illustrates precisely the bullshit one is fighting against. It shows people the reality of what is going on here.

                  Clearly, whatever policy is chosen, there are upsides and downsides. I will publish opposing comments if they are a) polite and b) not written by someone who has abused feminists elsewhere in the blogosphere. This is the line I choose so that (hopefully) most women to whom my words are useful and meaningful will feel comfortable to comment, and those who do not comment will at least feel able to read there with the least amount of discomfort. My priority is a safe space in which we can cut through the bullshit language of abuse and abusers and say things as they are. However, if my priority was to have a debate with as many voices as possible, my method would possibly not be ideal. I want to air my thoughts and hear from like-minded individuals.

                  I have very high standards of what constitutes politeness- or so I am told. But this is because I have an intense and accute awareness of hostility beneath the veneer of polite words.

                  However, I think that I, like you, am also trying to convince people, if I am completely honest with myself and everyone here. To what extent I can do that I do not know, and others would have to tell me. All I do know is that many women find it easier to comment at my blog because there is a lack of sex-pos abusive comments at my place. Not taking their shit has made a big difference to my blog, and, lo and behold, they seldom bother me now at my blog home. Nasty posts elsewhere, sure, but I don’t read them so it doesn’t affect me (I know what they’re gonna say anyway, why waste my time? :p )However, it took me about 2-3 yrs to make up my mind about what to do in terms of comment policy!

                  Anyway, sorry for the tangent. That’s meant to say that I was not aiming at you, Nine, when I commented, and to give my take on comment policy issue.

  21. Faith March 25, 2009 at 9:49 PM #

    “So, Faith, like I said, is the plan, then, to pick them off one by one? If not, the focus on Payne is diversionary. (And if so, the work is certainly cut out for you, and you might want to get on with it.)”

    I’m also not going to respond to this part because it’s really rather arrogant and uncalled for. You know nothing at all about what I have or have not done in my lifetime to help rid the world of predatory men.

  22. James March 26, 2009 at 6:16 AM #

    Shouldn’t he be in jail?

    • L March 26, 2009 at 6:34 PM #

      Jesus, keep up.

  23. Faith March 29, 2009 at 5:16 PM #

    “Why aren’t we talking about IACB or Anthony Kennerson or Voice? How about Ernest Greene the scumbag pornographer?”

    I’m all for condemning those misogynistic shitbags too. Anyone wants to make some anti-IACB or Kennerson or Voice or E.G. posts, I’m totally down and supportive.

    • delphyne March 29, 2009 at 9:28 PM #

      It appears there’s a few of us. :D

      That bunch are one reason why I would never go near sex pozzie blogs. I’m not going to hang out around sexually abusive, misogynistic men like that. I don’t understand how any woman could TBH.

  24. Paul April 5, 2009 at 1:30 AM #

    hi there, i just pressed my ‘stumbleupon’ button and got to this site, and saw this post. I understand the desire to vilify him, but when i looked into it and read about what he had done, i don’t think what he did can be called rape exactly. I don’t mean to say that he is a good guy, but only that it is dangerous for you to be saying he is a rapist if he didn’t rape anybody, because that is illegal and can be considered slander. anyways, just thought it would be wise to re-write your post. other than that, keep up the good work!!!!!

    • plainjane April 8, 2009 at 2:19 PM #

      Ok, so what would you call a person who sexually violates another person who is physically incapacitated and cannot give consent?

      Gee, thanks for the uninformed male perspective. We NEVER get a chance to hear that. It’s certainly very important that those of us who have been following this story for months and are most at risk for harm from people such as KP take into account the thoughts of a dude who just happened upon the story and spent an entire five minutes getting the gist of what happened.

  25. harmony April 8, 2009 at 5:44 AM #

    i wanted to tell you about this, but can’t figure out how to email you directly, and didn’t know which blog entry i should stick it under, but i figured this one was pretty good.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk

    A PC game that allows players to gang rape virtual women – and then force them to have an abortion – has been banned from Amazon
    In Rapelay, gamers direct a character to sexually assault a mother and her two young daughters at an underground station, before raping any of a selection female characters.

    The game was intended for release just in Japan, but was on offer to British buyers through Amazon Marketplace, the section of the online store’s website open to third-party sellers.

    But Amazon has now withdrawn the game after complaints from users, deeming it to be inappropriate. “We determined that we did not want to be selling this particular item,” a spokeswoman said.

    • isme April 8, 2009 at 1:21 PM #

      There’s the odd not for profit online pimping games, where each player tries to extend their little empire and attack those of other players.

      The one that really stood out for me had the first prostitute owned by the player be their little sister. Normally in games like this, prostitutes can become unhappy, and you have to let them keep more of their earnings or give them drugs to placate you, but in this one, you can also *let* them perform oral sex on you, which makes them happy and increases your score. Prostitutes could be as young as 14, but apparently the special pedophilia rules hadn’t been ironed out yet, they were still working on that.

      Also memorable in that the person responsible for this also happened to call themselves “Isme”.

  26. onlinegames7777 October 12, 2009 at 4:37 PM #

    I don’t know Kyle Payne but in case this story is true, people should be aware of him coming back to blogging. I think the parental control software administrators should be aware of this man and block links to his harmful sites to protect their subscribers from falling victim by this man.

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