Comments on: BDSM (the sexual equivalent of being into Renaissance faires) Part 2: The Problem with Kink http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/11/29/bdsm-the-sexual-equivalent-of-being-into-renaissance-faires-part-2-the-problem-with-kink/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:40:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: polly http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/11/29/bdsm-the-sexual-equivalent-of-being-into-renaissance-faires-part-2-the-problem-with-kink/#comment-17435 Sat, 18 Dec 2010 22:22:19 +0000 http://rageagainstthemanchine.wordpress.com/?p=912#comment-17435 I didn’t read all the comments, so I don’t know if someone already asked this. Anyway: I’m a feminist myself, a quite radical one, and I know I’m into BDSM since I was 10 years old. Now, as I’am older, I have a lot of BDSM sex. And I like, no, love to be the submissive one. I don’t see what’s the problem with it – as long as both partners really want the sex to be like that. What is your answer to this? How can you explain it? Am I an idiot, too?

I have no idea if you’re an idiot or not. But I know you’re lazy. Read the comments. Or if that’s just too, too hard, you could try just reading the post. Which is titled ‘the problem with kink’.

]]> By: sneeky bunny http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/11/29/bdsm-the-sexual-equivalent-of-being-into-renaissance-faires-part-2-the-problem-with-kink/#comment-17434 Sat, 18 Dec 2010 06:52:40 +0000 http://rageagainstthemanchine.wordpress.com/?p=912#comment-17434 I second ND in suggesting you read the comments. There are a lot of them, I know, but they make for a very lively read, and you will get a variety of opinion, and food for thought.

]]> By: Nine Deuce http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/11/29/bdsm-the-sexual-equivalent-of-being-into-renaissance-faires-part-2-the-problem-with-kink/#comment-17429 Sat, 18 Dec 2010 01:07:36 +0000 http://rageagainstthemanchine.wordpress.com/?p=912#comment-17429 Read the comments.

]]> By: Lea http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/11/29/bdsm-the-sexual-equivalent-of-being-into-renaissance-faires-part-2-the-problem-with-kink/#comment-17425 Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:50:43 +0000 http://rageagainstthemanchine.wordpress.com/?p=912#comment-17425 I didn’t read all the comments, so I don’t know if someone already asked this. Anyway: I’m a feminist myself, a quite radical one, and I know I’m into BDSM since I was 10 years old. Now, as I’am older, I have a lot of BDSM sex. And I like, no, love to be the submissive one. I don’t see what’s the problem with it – as long as both partners really want the sex to be like that. What is your answer to this? How can you explain it? Am I an idiot, too? Looking forward to your response.

]]> By: kristina http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/11/29/bdsm-the-sexual-equivalent-of-being-into-renaissance-faires-part-2-the-problem-with-kink/#comment-16396 Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:27:27 +0000 http://rageagainstthemanchine.wordpress.com/?p=912#comment-16396 I personally did get pleasure from the process of the tattoo…but I used to be a cutter too…I just took my love of the pain and put it to “better use”… I no longer find seeking pain pleasurable, but that was something that changed in me, not something I was coerced into. I would still get another tattoo, but it would be less seeking the process, and more seeking the art.

]]> By: sneeky bunny http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/11/29/bdsm-the-sexual-equivalent-of-being-into-renaissance-faires-part-2-the-problem-with-kink/#comment-16391 Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:56:56 +0000 http://rageagainstthemanchine.wordpress.com/?p=912#comment-16391 @bluecat,
Thanks, I was looking for clarification on your position, not necessarily disputing it.
As I said, I view tattoos as a form of personal artistic expression, but there are some who find any kind of body modification problematic and I was interested in Valerie M’s opinion on the matter, particularly as there is an intrinsic pleasure/pain dynamic involved. Piercing and scarification would also fall with in that debate I think.

@kristina
There still *is* a societal disapproval of tattooed women isn’t there? I tend to forget that as I can (excluding my parents) count on one hand the number of people I know who *don’t* have any tattoos.

]]> By: Valerie M http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/11/29/bdsm-the-sexual-equivalent-of-being-into-renaissance-faires-part-2-the-problem-with-kink/#comment-16388 Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:53:30 +0000 http://rageagainstthemanchine.wordpress.com/?p=912#comment-16388 Also forgot to say – while getting my tattoo was far from the most painful thing I have ever experienced, it was definitely unpleasant. So no, it’s not the best analogy for that reason as well. It was thoroughly unenjoyable. I was not doing for the experience of having it done, if you see what I mean.

]]> By: Valerie M http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/11/29/bdsm-the-sexual-equivalent-of-being-into-renaissance-faires-part-2-the-problem-with-kink/#comment-16387 Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:37:47 +0000 http://rageagainstthemanchine.wordpress.com/?p=912#comment-16387 @ sneeky bunny

Hey what is this anyway? I though we were arguing about BDSM – suddenly were having a romantic candle-lit dinner? And I’m cooking as well?

Regarding my tattoo: I want to second what Bluecat has said, but also add that while I don’t know if tattoos are oppressive to women, my reasons for getting one were definitely borne of oppression.

My tattoo, the only one I have, is a lesbian symbol. I got it to show solidarity with the lesbian community and to identify myself to other lesbians, not that they seem to have much trouble recognising me these days! If not for lesbian oppression, the tattoo would not be necessary, and in fact would have no meaning.

As for art in general, an interesting argument I read on the subject (at IBTP, I believe) a while back is that art, or personal expression, would cease to be necessary outside of systems of oppression because one could be wholly oneself. So art would not survive the revolution.

Of course, this had a lot of people whinging ‘but I LIKE art,’ which did seem to miss the point a bit.

Anyhoo, probably getting a little off topic here.

]]> By: Bluecat http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/11/29/bdsm-the-sexual-equivalent-of-being-into-renaissance-faires-part-2-the-problem-with-kink/#comment-16386 Fri, 24 Sep 2010 03:24:06 +0000 http://rageagainstthemanchine.wordpress.com/?p=912#comment-16386 @sneeky bunny:
I can see where you were attempting to go with this argument, but the analogy fails on multiple levels. Violent sports such as football and boxing are a contest of brute strength between equal opponents. There is no element of masochism or sadism in sports. There is no power-over dynamic. There is no enactment of physical/verbal abuse.

I know your tattoo analogy was directed at Valerie, but I can’t resist pointing out that the masochistic pleasure you feel is an unintentional side-effect of the process. The tattoo artist’s objective isn’t to dominate, denigrate, or cause you pain, it’s to give you a permanent piece of artwork.

]]> By: kristina http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/11/29/bdsm-the-sexual-equivalent-of-being-into-renaissance-faires-part-2-the-problem-with-kink/#comment-16383 Fri, 24 Sep 2010 01:25:55 +0000 http://rageagainstthemanchine.wordpress.com/?p=912#comment-16383 I’d have to say tattoos are less acceptable on women then men…precisely why I have 2… LOL!

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