I hate sweatshops. Now, which one of you wants to suck my dick?

30 Jul

American Apparel is the worst company in the world that doesn’t make rape porn, sell gasoline, or supply the Pentagon. Seriously.

How can the asshole who owns the company reconcile his supposed concern for the well-being of his factory workers with the fact that he consistently dehumanizes women in his personal life, at his office, and in his advertisements? I’m aware of the fact that I’m not the first person to call attention to the misogynistic implications of the ads or the company’s owner’s behavior, but I have what might be a different take on the whole thing than most people do.

I lived in LA when that company opened its first retail stores in 2003, one of which was just down the street from my house. Someone told me it was a good place to get plain t-shirts and sweatshirts and that I should check the place out, so I went in there and paid some ludicrous amount of money for a green t-shirt that didn’t fit and decided the store sucked. I mean, yeah I thought it was kind of cool that they were making their shirts in downtown LA and were paying their workers a little more than the local taco stand did, but I was pretty unimpressed.

I knew, because they had opened a location in my stupid hipster neighborhood, that the people behind American Apparel thought they were putting out a hip product for the “counter-cultural” types paying $1300 rent in Los Feliz and Silver Lake. The area was already lousy with overpriced thrift stores (“vintage boutiques”) and faux-50s health food diners, so American Apparel fit right in.

The problem with American Apparel when its stores first opened was that the product line was basically a rehash of Au Coton. It didn’t work in 1986, either. No one wants to spend twenty bucks on a plain t-shirt just because some guy tells them he’s hiring Mexicans in LA instead of Mexicans in Mexico City to make it. Unless, of course, you tell that person that paying twenty bucks for that t-shirt will make them cooler than the fool with the two-dollar thrift store t-shirt.

That’s what happened. Dov Charney, the CEO, founder, and head pervert of American Apparel figured out that, instead of just selling plain t-shirts and sweatshirts, he could start pumping out the silly little 80s-style garments that were inching onto the narrow asses of hipsters in LA and New York and make himself a billion bucks in the process. He saw that hipsterism was going to be the next big thing, that he could get rich selling lifestyle garments to people who think they’re iconoclasts for listening to Beck. So he put out skinny jeans in ugly colors, he put out headbands and gym shorts that allow people like Devendra Banhart to feel retro and avant garde at the same time, and he put out shiny, ill-fitting dresses and shirts for women who don’t eat. Hipsters love ugly clothes, and Dov is all over it.

I almost want to blame Dov Charney for hipsterism. His store is a mecca for people who think they’re making the world a better, hipper place by overvaluing ugly cotton clothing, and it’s the place people go when they’re ready to make the belated move from dance music to lame corporate “indie” rock. I definitely blame Dov Charney for the dorkification of some of the more interesting urban areas in this country. I mean, once you see an American Apparel store go up in a neighborhood, you can pretty much assume that any real counter-cultural activity going on in the area is over and that any interesting residents will be moving elsewhere, afterward to be replaced by Radiohead fans with Apple computers and sparrow tattoos who don’t mind paying triple the current rents.

Whether he made hispterism the asshole trend of the decade or not, he’s making sure it spreads and doesn’t go away, so fuck him for that alone.

But did I mention that he likes to sexually harass his employees, the women he does business with, and everyone else he comes across who owns a vagina (he’s been sued at least 5 times for it)? Did I mention that his company’s advertisements (which are done in-house and can’t be blamed on anyone else) are basically kitschy 70s porn? Did I forget to say that he coerces the “models” he hires to create that 70s porn into letting him pork them, often by warning them that their jobs depend on it? Oh yeah, he also jacked off on someone and he likes to walk around the office naked, firing anyone who doesn’t like it. He’s a bad guy.

I suppose it isn’t much of a surprising story. Total geek in high school (I mean, fuck, his name is Dov Charney… and did you see him?), hated by everyone, can’t get anyone to touch his wiener, gets rich and powerful, then takes it out on the women he has some authority over and pretends it’s just one big fun sex party.

The thing is, this guy’s trying to get us all on board with his plan to dehumanize women and treat them like jizz mops. The women in his ads are all very, very young. Some of them don’t look old enough to drive, but he’s got them in all kinds of degrading, pornorific poses. Check it, yo:

(Peep the graffiti on that last one. Good shit.)

So, here we see it again: sex, especially sex in which women (preferrably ones that are still practically children) are being treated like fifi bags, sells. Especially to the kinds of people who are stupid enough to think being a hipster is iconoclastic in any sense AT ALL, or who think that wearing ugly, overpriced clothes says anything about you except that you are gullible and have too much money to waste.

Oh, and have a look at this.

If you feel like contacting them and letting them know where to stick their ads, click here or write/call the following:

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Los Angeles, CA 90021
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98 Responses to “I hate sweatshops. Now, which one of you wants to suck my dick?”

  1. Jen July 30, 2008 at 6:10 AM #

    I mean, once you see an American Apparel store go up in a neighborhood, you can pretty much assume that any real countercultural activity going on in the area is over and that any interesting residents will be moving elsewhere, afterward to be replaced by Radiohead fans with Apple computers and sparrow tattoos who don’t mind paying triple the current rents.

    Someone out there might think that you over-stating your point for effect. But I would like to say that, in less words, that the above is exactly what my hometown of Tempe is now like. We used to have a vibrant downtown community of cute family-owned vegan cafeterias, the largest co-op in the state, and many real retro stores. By “real” I mean selling real second-hand clothes and household items actually from some long lost era.

    Then that went away. Some asshole got the idea, around the time that the land prices and housing market exploded, that downtown Tempe wasn’t “hip” enough for the million-dollar condos going in on the shore of our man-made puddle (because we’ve polluted and paved the valley so much that all the real water has long since dried up). Out go the subversive bookstores, co-ops, vegan cafeterias, tattoo parlors, and antique stores, and in go American Apparel, two million cell phone stores, abstract galleries of inaffordable mass-produced “art”, an overpriced Aveda salon, and enough chain-food like Chiles and Starbucks to chase out every single staple of my childhood.

    My town is dead. Everyone I know that really really likes American Apparel (really), also carries around an Apple laptop, bitches about how the university website isn’t compatible with their poor technology choice, and gossips about how they got high and fucked some random person to the new Radiohead CD. I wish I was joking.

    The icing on the shit cake, of course, is that this entire culture is built upon porn and consumerism and perpetuated by the idolization of pimps and dealers.

    And good God, those advertisings are horrible. I wish I could unsee them.

  2. crankosaur July 30, 2008 at 1:15 PM #

    Oh no! My favorite neighborhood in the city just got an American Apparel… and a Chipotle… I’m starting to get nervous.

  3. syndicalist702 July 30, 2008 at 1:21 PM #

    Hipsters are f8cking stupid. Sorry, it just had to be said – about the latest crop of zombie consumers.

  4. earlgreyrooibos July 30, 2008 at 4:33 PM #

    Gee, I always just hated American Apparel because they don’t make clothes that fit anyone with breasts or hips or a butt. It was purely because their clothes just plain blew.

    Now I have even MORE reason to hate them, on an ideological level. yay!

    My best friend LOVES American Apparel and I was tempted to get her a whole bunch of their kneesocks for her birthday, but now I can’t ever give them any of my money.

  5. huh July 30, 2008 at 5:29 PM #

    I suppose it isn’t much of a surprising story. Total geek in high school (I mean, fuck, his name is Dov Charney… and did you see him?), hated by everyone, can’t get anyone to touch his wiener, gets rich and powerful, then takes it out on the women he has some authority over and pretends it’s just one big fun sex party.

    American Apparel’s Charney probably should be in jail, but what’s wrong with his name? Anti-semitism now?

  6. Nine Deuce July 30, 2008 at 5:32 PM #

    Oh, come on, for fuck’s sake. I was saying he has an odd name and probably got made fun of, and that he looks like a sleaze. I don’t know what ethnicity he is, nor do I give a fuck. For one thing, it’s got nothing do do with what I am talking about AT ALL. I took that goddamned comic down to keep people from derailing by pretending I’m some kind of racist, which is patently fucking absurd, and now you’re trolling through my posts looking for something to exaggerate and misinterpret the meaning of. You don’t know who I am, who my friends are, who my family is, or anything else that would give you the information you’d need to make the call on whether I am or am not a racist, so go fuck yourself.

  7. Sally July 30, 2008 at 5:49 PM #

    Euw, those ads are just…. How the hell are they allowed to be put on billboards? Aren’t there, like, laws in america to stop that kind of stuff? Boards of people and such?

    He sounds pretty sick. But of course, he’s rich, so nothing will ever be done about it. Well, and he’s a man of course, which made the chances of anything being done pretty low in the first place.

    Although, I’m not really sure what a hipster is, I guess it’s an american thing, or that we just have a different word for it. Scene kids maybe? I don’t know.

    Great post ND.

  8. Nine Deuce July 30, 2008 at 5:53 PM #

    Yeah, scene kids is probably it.

  9. Jen July 30, 2008 at 6:52 PM #

    American Apparel’s Charney probably should be in jail, but what’s wrong with his name? Anti-semitism now?

    Just here to say that I’m Jewish, I identify as Jewish religiously, genealogically, and culturally for anyone who wants to know, and I don’t think that Nine-Deuce’s comment was anti-semitic. Dov isn’t exactly the most Jewish name in the world, and I wouldn’t have known unless someone told me that he is Jewish, or was Jewish, because he never identified himself as such.

  10. Nine Deuce July 30, 2008 at 6:54 PM #

    Exactly. In none of the articles I read about Charney did anyone start off by saying, “Charney, CEO of American Apparel, is Jewish…”

  11. Nine Deuce July 30, 2008 at 7:17 PM #

    crankosaur – Chipotle is the devil’s food. I grew up in San Diego, the national capital as far as burritos goes. The first time I ate at Chipotle, I considered writing a treatise on what a burrito is and is not and sending it to their corporate office, along with a petition signed by a million people or so requesting that they admit that they are selling wraps rather than burritos. Did you know it’s owned by McDonalds? And that there’s fucking CORN in the salsa? A travesty.

  12. Vanessa July 30, 2008 at 7:37 PM #

    @Jen Isn’t ‘dov’ Hebrew for ‘bear’? Shouldn’t you know that?

    Could you maybe source some of this stuff? And not to blogs, but to actual articles. There’s a lot of weird stuff I read and I don’t know how much to believe. That’s a whole lot of hearsay in there.

    I totally empathize with the advertisements. They can be a bit much when you’re reading the paper on the train sometimes.

    But I wholeheartedly disagree that the clothes are overpriced. When compared to a sweatshop-produced t-shirt, definitely. But paying sewers close to $20 an hour with tons of benefits, including medical and dental? I can imagine their overhead is a little higher than wherever else you buy your clothes.

  13. Nine Deuce July 30, 2008 at 7:42 PM #

    These claims have been blogged and written about so much it’s obscene. I Googled the guy and found out about all of this in the Wikipedia entry and one other article alone.

    I’m not comparing the prices to something made in a sweatshop. I am comparing them to the prices one should pay for their “alternative” clothing, at a thrift store. Isn’t it better to reuse things, anyway?

    My point is, while what he’s doing may arguably be laudable in one sense, he’s ideologically screwy in that he’s dehumanizing vast numbers of other people in another sense. It’s proof that even liberals are more concerned with just about any social issue than the humanity of women.

  14. Vanessa July 30, 2008 at 8:18 PM #

    I don’t see thrift stores as the company’s competitors though. They make new clothes. It’s reckless to say that all “alternative” people that buy American Apparel clothes should just stick to buying thrift store clothes because that’s what is in style for these people. Do you buy anything new? Wouldn’t it be cheaper to just buy something used?

    About all these claims, the Wikipedia page doesn’t really say much at all.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dov_Charney#Sexuality_and_controversy

    I don’t see the correlation. I’d like to read the other article, if you could post it. I’ve read a lot of stuff, but I’ve never read any testimonials from models that say he screws them or whatever.

    I’m a woman and a liberal and I don’t agree with everything the company stands for, but I also appreciate that the company uses models–however risque–that are not all skinny twigs. Haven’t we been fighting THAT forever?

    • Imaginary September 28, 2009 at 11:20 PM #

      Showing larger womin does not make them progressive. It just shows that all womin can be objects. Yay! It’s what I’ve always wanted!

      And he’s a dick. Sexual harrassment is not cool.

  15. Vanessa July 30, 2008 at 8:22 PM #

    @Jen again

    http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=4645

    It even says he’s Jewish in his Wikipedia entry. I don’t get it?

  16. Nine Deuce July 30, 2008 at 8:29 PM #

    Vanessa – That is so far from germane to what’s being talked about I don’t know what to say. His ethnicity has nothing to do with what’s going on here, and I’ll not discuss it any further. I don’t give a fuck what ethnicity an abuser of women is. He’s still an abuser of women, which is what this blog is about (that and hipsterism).

    I’m not saying anything about Charney that isn’t common knowledge. Here’s your article.

    As to my description of hipsterism, it isn’t all meant to be taken literally. Effect, effect.

  17. huh July 30, 2008 at 8:39 PM #

    I mean, fuck, his name is Dov Charney… and did you see him?), hated by everyone, can’t get anyone to touch his wiener, gets rich and powerful, then takes it out on the women he has some authority over and pretends it’s just one big fun sex party.

    Okay, you didn’t realize Dov was a Jewish name, fine. What’s with the rest of your sexist screed?

    It would be like my saying that most radical feminists are probably fat chicks that require laws to be written just to get guys to touch them, and so they take it out on society and pretend that all of society hates women. Oh, and it is okay to make fun of people with funny names, for their names.

    American Apparel is slime. Dov Charney is slime. I agree.

    Possible anti-semitism and misandry and sexist remarks and making fun of people because you think their name is funny or even playing internet psychologist…. I disagree with you that that is okay.

    • Imaginary September 28, 2009 at 11:37 PM #

      No, no it would not be like saying that because men have not had to live under thousands of years of oppression. Simply believing that everyone is treated equal doens’t make it so.

      And so what if she didn’t like the name? I like the name, it’s a fucking name. I don’t like your name for example.

  18. Vanessa July 30, 2008 at 8:50 PM #

    Oh, I totally get it. I’d just love to see some articles or something that could back up a lot of this stuff. I read a lot of blogs, but I don’t know how much tabloid or truth are in those. I shop there for sustainable basics that I know wasn’t made by children in China, and I don’t see that ending until I see something that can substantively justify buying from a sweatshop-fueled store in the future.

    And I definitely don’t think it sounded anti-Semitic, for the record. I usually just lurk, but I thought a Hebrew speaker would know that ‘bear’ in Hebrew is ‘dov’. Heh, that was my initial inclination to comment, to be honest.

  19. Nine Deuce July 30, 2008 at 9:00 PM #

    huh – There is no “possible” anti-Semitism, sexism, misandry, whatever here. Everyone can find a way to overinterpret if they want to find something to get offended by, but only an MRA would find what I’ve said sexist. And saying his story follows a familiar trajectory is not equal to saying feminists are all fat, ugly “chicks” who want laws passed to get dudes to touch them. I am talking about one guy, you are making a blanket generalization. Your sexism is showing.

    What matters in this scenario is that Charney is abusing women, that he puts out ads that dehumanize women, all while he pretends to be some kind of progressive force in the world. It’s sheer hypocrisy.

  20. Stine July 30, 2008 at 9:53 PM #

    Hey there, I just stumbled on your blog and first let me express my ‘BRAVO!!!’, finally there is someone out here in the blog-o-sphere with substance, analysis and certainly not afraid to throw around the good ol’ F- bomb!!!
    As I read, I began wondering, why does American Apparel sound so familiar, as I live in Idaho we here in this funny looking state are thankfully void of certain corporate American companies of such.
    With mu brain juices flowing I began to look at the tags on the clothes all over my bed room floor, why is this American Apparel so familiar, and then there it was, tagged on all of my favorite Ani Difranco T’s, and I remembered the sell grrl at an Ani show in Eugene, Or, and her positive shpeel about this certain company. NoW I don’t know how you feel about Ms. D, but I myself am appalled, now more than appalled, I’m Fucking pissed, on many levels, that’s why those shirts barely squeeze over my chest. Someone certainly needs to enlighten Ani, this is just outta hand.
    I look forward to reading your blog, I am sure it will soon be the feel good reading of my afternoons.

  21. Jen July 31, 2008 at 12:07 AM #

    Well shit. Apparently I fail at being Jewish because I don’t speak fluent Hebrew. Even though I’m American, not Israeli, we all know that all Jews worthy of not being offended by a poke at someone’s name (and it’s called hyperbole, by the way, so look it up) all must speak Hebrew. It is commanded by Moses.

    If all you got from that long post full of handy-dandy information that Nine Deuce has no obligation to share with you is that she is an anti-semite, than I can tell you that not only did you not read the post, you fail at understanding hyperbole and humor using it. I want to beat some ass with my bag of challah now. Maybe cut off some schmeckles.

    I have no love for Dov and his assholerly. Mock his name up and down for all I care. It’s not visibly Jewish like “Stein” is. I thought it was Russian or something.

    Yeah, and you can totally go ahead and call the Israeli government shitheads now. Because just because someone is Jewish doesn’t mean that someone doesn’t get to criticize them for being jerks. For the record, I think Israel is full of a bunch of war mongering lunatics. And that’s not anti-semetic, because that has nothing to do with being Jewish.

    Same with good ol’ Dov here. He’s a douchebag. 9-2 pointed that out with examples of his actual deeds and then poked fun at his misfortunate name, which means something in Hebrew but isn’t exactly recognizibly Jewish like Stein or Moshe.

    For example: there was this horrible girl in my second grade class named Jennifer. I hated that girl. I think her name is stupid. Because that name is Irish, I hate Irish people.

    That’s totally logicful folks.

  22. Nine Deuce July 31, 2008 at 12:11 AM #

    I knew it! My dad’s ancestors are Danish, so I speak Old Norse. Jen must just be pretending to be Jewish to make friends.

    I think I’ve figured out, Jen, that I have to write very dry, boring prose if I want to avoid offending people, because the average person can’t seem to pick up sarcasm, satire, irony, comedic exaggeration, or any humor that isn’t a knock-knock joke.

  23. Sabrina Morgan July 31, 2008 at 12:18 AM #

    Interesting post, but I do have to raise an eyebrow at the irony of including a photo of established porn star Lauren Phoenix in with the “some of them don’t look old enough to drive” point. American Apparel has been using actual, successful porn stars – not just fashion models of dubious age posed like porn stars – in their ads for a while now.

    Doesn’t make the owner any less of an asshole for the other stuff, or the product any less absurd, but there ya go.

  24. Nine Deuce July 31, 2008 at 12:21 AM #

    It’s not really ironic. I don’t doubt that they’re all of age, but the problem is that a lot of them don’t look of age, Phoenix included. That some of them work in porn is most likely lost on 90% or more of the people who see the ads, so the effect remains the same.

  25. Trin July 31, 2008 at 3:48 AM #

    Dov Charney is a fucking creep.

    I care more about the fact that he actually DOES harass people than that his ads are, yep, gross.

    But any way you slice it, really: EW.

  26. Sis July 31, 2008 at 4:45 AM #

    You know, I live a couple thousand miles north but you just described one of our ‘funky’ streets. And yes, it’s got an American Apparel. Starbucks at the other end. We might still be winning though. The smell of piss is just as rank around the AA entrance as anywhere else on the street. Please don’t tell me that’s a plus for the hipsters.

    I love reading you. You have such an original voice.

  27. Nine Deuce July 31, 2008 at 4:48 AM #

    Hipsters love piss. It makes them feel authentic.

    Thanks for the compliment!

  28. Sis July 31, 2008 at 4:49 AM #

    Oh my god. I see AK has linked. Now he’ll have two hits to his blog. Himself, and…well, himself.

  29. Genevieve July 31, 2008 at 5:12 AM #

    My dad’s ancestors are Danish,

    Ah, a fellow Scandinavian. I knew there was a reason I liked you…

  30. syndicalist702 July 31, 2008 at 1:05 PM #

    “Hipsters love piss. It makes them feel authentic. “

    Lines like this are what keep me coming back here for a read.

  31. Nine Deuce July 31, 2008 at 3:31 PM #

    702 – I have to admit I laughed really hard when I wrote that.

  32. Vanessa July 31, 2008 at 5:42 PM #

    @Jen

    “Well shit. Apparently I fail at being Jewish because I don’t speak fluent Hebrew.”

    I wasn’t saying that. But you interjected as our resident expert of Jewish things (“Just here to say that I’m Jewish, I identify as Jewish religiously, genealogically, and culturally for anyone who wants to know”) and you didn’t get something fairly fundamental.

    Frankly, I don’t care how engrossed you are in your faith. But saying you can just recognize names like “Stein” as Jewish? THAT’S why we should listen to you in saying that Nine Deuce’s comments weren’t anti-semitic? It’s like walking into a hospital, saying you’re firmly ingrained in all thinks medical, and then proclaiming that the diagnosis of someone that actually KNEW how to diagnose a patient (see: knew “dov” was Hebrew). Of course, the truth of the matter was that you didn’t have any knowledge more than just about anyone else. I’ll ask my 5-year-old daughter if I need to pick out a “visibly Jewish” name like Stein next time rather than take the word of the supposed expert.

    Like I said before, I don’t think the comment was meant like that. For someone that KNOWS that Dov Charney is a Jewish name, however, I can also understand how it could be construed to say that. “I mean, fuck, his name is Avi Rosenstein…” is interchangeable to people that know that his name is from Hebrew, if that helps for any perspective. I just think the comment was a little careless. Just like my aforementioned problem with the ranting hearsay and whatnot, but that’s what I usually love about this blog. I’m usually just a lurker, but I think the company does too much good to just ignore it completely.

    • Imaginary September 28, 2009 at 11:43 PM #

      If a name is stupid, everyone has a moral obligation to make fun of it regardless of origin. Vanessa…. Bo-Tessa. Ha!

      Wait, unless someone makes fun of my name. Then they face death at sundown.

  33. Nihilunder July 31, 2008 at 8:02 PM #

    A little fact that probably escapes those accusing ND of being anti-semitic: nerdy kids with unusual names -Jewish or otherwise- do, in fact, get picked on. Duh.

    She never said he DESERVED to get picked on in school, just that he probably did, and has turned into a creep as part of his revenge. It happens.

  34. Jen August 1, 2008 at 10:21 PM #

    Hell, people picked on me because my last name is unpronounceable. I didn’t think it was because they hate Canadians (and yes, Jews can come from Canada). They also picked on me because I was a nerd. I assume that’s not because they really hate nerds, but because they hate themselves. I think 9-2 should really just stick a swastika somewhere and get it over with.

    I never posed myself as the ultimate source knowledge of all things Jewish. I just postulated that I might have a little more insight in judging anti-semitic claims because I am Jewish.

    Oh, and hipsters totally love the smell of human excrement. I think it has to do with their innate affinity with shit.

  35. stormy August 2, 2008 at 1:05 PM #

    Waaay to derail a thread people.

    It doesn’t matter if the dude is Jewish or not (or the perceived anti-Semitism). He is a male, exploiting (young) females both personally and professionally.

    The images above are softcore porn. They are softcore porn, regardless of being clothed, because of the ‘fuck me’ pose of the (very young) models.

    He is a sleezebag. Focus people, focus! :P

  36. Maggie Hays August 2, 2008 at 3:12 PM #

    The images above are softcore porn. They are softcore porn, regardless of being clothed, because of the ‘fuck me’ pose of the (very young) models.

    I agree, Stormy.

  37. Aoife August 3, 2008 at 1:42 PM #

    Jen, I’d totally pick on someone if their second name was Unpronounceable. arf.

    I had no idea American Apparel were such dirtbirds! Those images are creepy as fuck. We don’t have the advertising campaigns over this side of the Atlantic. I’ve come across them a zillion times when I’m looking for ethical hipster rock t-shirts online though. Thanks for the heads up.

  38. Roberto August 5, 2008 at 5:27 PM #

    1. Mexican =! Latino. Having grown up in San Diego, one would think you’d be aware that 25% of California latinos are NOT Mexican.
    2. McDonald’s has been completely divested of Chipotle since 2006
    Facts. They’re awesome.

  39. Nine Deuce August 6, 2008 at 4:41 AM #

    I know that. It’s exaggeration/generalization for effect. Chipotle may not be owned by McDonald’s anymore, but it still sucks. Nice try, though.

  40. Sis August 6, 2008 at 4:49 PM #

    These images are porn. Nothing softcore about it when you splay your legs for the lens, with a come on look. Clothing covers the legal loophole, but not the intentions.

    I’d also say these are girls, not women. Let’s quit blurring out the difference. The pornstitution positive crowd push that, the same as they call what’s going on ‘choice’.

    Someone said possibly not old enough to drive. I’d say barely old enough to legally babysit.

  41. Lost Clown August 9, 2008 at 9:53 PM #

    Great post. I remember blogging about how horribly sexist and fucked up Dov Charney is when I first started blogging (3 years ago?) It was one of my first posts. (I included that as there are some really great comments from people no longer around the blogosphere like Biting Beaver.) And yet the images have just seemed to have gotten worse. (I even used the image of the socks that you did.) They also have Penthouse and Playboy covers displayed in their stores. AND AA’s anti-union.

    Anyway, my friend pointed out a similar company, minus the disgusting CEO and pornographic images of girls that’s out of Canada called Just Shirts. There are plenty of options you can point people to if they want to buy ethically made clothing that is *actually* ethical in all aspects if you look hard enough.

  42. Patricia August 16, 2008 at 12:06 PM #

    All I can think to say is… I’m grateful American Apparel has not creeped its way into Africa yet. I don’t think I could handle those billboards. I already feel like strangling whoever is lining Rivonia (Johannesburg) with billboards for strip clubs.

    And… not too get too off topic… but I wonder if it’s a coincidence that the ONLY ads in Rivonia that spell “boulevard” wrong (“boulavard”) are the ones for Teazers. Hmm…

  43. uhmm December 7, 2008 at 1:32 PM #

    I really don’t understand why you felt the need to insult Devendra Banhart in this post. The dude barely even wears clothes, much less ones from American Apparel.

    • beez November 6, 2009 at 5:51 AM #

      hahaha.. true story.
      i love devendra.

  44. sonia December 12, 2008 at 1:25 AM #

    well, I was a (non-jewish) kid in school that got made fun of, and I still think he’s a sleaze ;)

    is he serious with that “all colors” one in Spanish?

    way to make exploitation equal opportunity. he really does love the brown people.

  45. Emy December 13, 2008 at 2:50 AM #

    Fact of the matter is, I shop at American Apparel because I am tall, and thin (thusly, long-waisted), and their unisex t-shirts are the only ones that fit me properly.

    Of course, I’m perfectly aware that being a size 0 makes it so that I cannot possibly be a real woman, regardless of how natural it may be, so I shouldn’t have an opinion at all for this blog :(

  46. lynx December 13, 2008 at 7:35 AM #

    i hate me some Americana Apparel, for the grossly sexist ads (if I wanted to look at porn I could find all the free porn I could ever want online, I don’t need to see it in ads for clothes thank you very much…), for the asshole owner, and for the fact that they’re one of the only places that sells blank print-on-able t-shirts that aren’t made with slave labor, meaning that i don’t even have any good alternatives. that’s a big sticker for me as a musician because I absolutely refuse to put my name or my band’s name on a t-shirt made with slave labor (and if you think dov is an asshole check out the conditions that the women and children who make fruit of the loom t-shirts in indonesia deal with).

    it’s fucked up that as someone trying to put out socially conscious and positive music my only real options are sourcing t-shirts from a company that pays decent wages and has (relatively) working good conditions but is owned by a misogynistic asshole or sourcing them from one of the myriad of other companies that all use chinese prison labor or south asian slave labor to make their products.

    the problem with picking the lesser evil is that you still end up supporting evil. yuck. more reasons to hate capitalism i guess…

    seriously though, if anyone knows a better company i can source blank t-shirts from please hit up my website and send me an email and I’ll switch over.

  47. lynx December 13, 2008 at 8:21 AM #

    actually… fuck that noise. looking at those ads again i don’t give a shit if they’re labor practices are slightly less terrible. i’ve been looking for a good alternative for a while anyway, just haven’t found any others that sell wholesale t-shirts in small enough quantities to make sense for an independent band.

    also, I’ll bet a nickle that this exact issue is why ani difranco has used them – because most companies just don’t want to bother doing small-scale sales to bands and out of the ones that do american apparel is the only one (that I know of) that doesn’t use sweatshops. so don’t be too hard on her.

    but if you DO know a good alternative, send her (and me) an email and let us (and any other musicians you happen to listen too/know of/read long-winded comments on blogs from) about that alternative.

  48. lym December 14, 2008 at 1:13 AM #

    I am a woman and I know that, yeah. um. everyone “dehumanizes” us. he’s just making money off of that. but for those of us who are actually educated and give a shit about ourselves, we know that that is the way the world works. sorry. so just don’t buy any of their clothes. its like any other store exploiting their main audience.

    • Nine Deuce December 14, 2008 at 1:18 AM #

      So your plan is “shit sucks so let’s just leave it that way”? No thanks. I’m educated (so educated, in fact, that I know how to use the Shift key and apostrophes) and give a shit about myself, which is exactly why I speak up about this shit.

  49. michelle December 22, 2008 at 1:40 AM #

    I agree with everything said, but please don’t bring Radiohead into this!

  50. Hazel December 27, 2008 at 10:51 AM #

    I can’t tell if the graffiti on the last ad is saying “look at how women parade around with no clothes on, no wonder they get raped!” or “look at how women are presented as merely sex objects, no wonder men think they can rape women!”

  51. lolwut December 29, 2008 at 8:55 PM #

    Wait, what’s Radiohead got to do with this?
    I understand all the other stuff, and I’m with you,
    but that seems like a random snipe and a distraction.

  52. Amy Green January 8, 2009 at 4:09 PM #

    I am appalled. To think that the government will let something like this go on is ludicrous. I just finished reading the article on the The Onion about the AA, and I’m disgusted. It actually makes me sick to my stomach to think that people can treat women that way. For gods sake you should worship us, we birth your lineage. We keep your pathetic blood lines rolling on. BTW, American Apparel is not that fucking cool. I’d rather spend my money on outrageously priced clothes at FreePeople, where at least I know women aren’t being forced to look “sexy”.
    I do have to say that I love Davendra Banhart to death, but that doesn’t mean he’s the coolest person on earth. He’s got good vibes, but so does my mailman! I am totally going to tell everyone I know how terrible that store is, and hopefully I can influence them to boycott that shit.
    So FUCK YOU AMERICAN APPAREL!
    Im a bitch, but I’m not going to be yours.

  53. Jason January 22, 2009 at 10:16 PM #

    I agree with the article, fashion is stupid, ‘hipster’ are dumb (I’m not sure we have quite the same phenomenon over here in the UK, but I agree with the gist), and those ‘adverts’ are pretty horrendous. Furthermore, this American Apparel man sounds like he deserves a moderate to long stretch in gaol for his sexual harrasment and virtual rape of impressionable young models (although I have to say I resent the implication that this is because he was a geek – this reeks of amateur pop-psychology and sweeping stereotypes – unpopularity or geekiness at high school does not make you dysfunctional)

    However, and now we get to the crucial part – lay off Radiohead! Perhaps they are part of some detestable trendy scene over in the states, but that doesn’t alter the fact that their first three albums include some of the best songs ever written, and OK Computer is still the greatest artistic expression of the alienation and disconnection created by the modern world.
    I’m no ‘hipster’ – I detest fashion, clothes shopping is a tortuous nightmare, and I have never owned anything made by apple. I do, however, know good music when I hear it!

    • Imaginary September 28, 2009 at 11:49 PM #

      Oh my Goddess, let the Radiohead thing goooooo! She’s talking about her own persunal taste, it has nothing to do with the rest of the article.

  54. gwytherinn January 24, 2009 at 3:59 PM #

    As someone who has enjoys your blog and is mostly a lurker, I wanted to comment on this post as the whole AA thing has been an issue for me lately. Those ads make me pretty ill, I’ve seen others but those are the worst. I’ve also read about Charney’s behavior and it really angers me. Despite these things, I don’t think it’s such a cut and dry issue.

    I started following AA early because I was excited about the idea of actually being able to buy clothing that wasn’t made in a sweatshop, despite the cost. I resent the idea that all of us are simply purchasing a more expensive AA shirt because it’s “cool” rather than based on the idea that the people at the factory are being treated at least somewhat like human beings. I remember their early ad campaigns focused on just that – and being frustrated when they stopped that sort of ad, and my friend saying “well, it’s just not cool to care about human beings.” Ha! How right he was….

    So my options… purchase clothing that I know has been made in sweatshops, where abuse (Don’t think it a stretch to say they probably get sexually abused.) and the absurdly low pay is just part of the job, or purchase clothing from a company where the owner is a damn rapist, harasses his workers, releases degrading ads, but MIGHT actually be paying them a decent wage and providing them with things like health insurance. I’ve needed clothing for the past few months, and it really pisses me off that these are my “choices”.

    But this is why I can’t flat out boycott AA, as much as the other stuff might make me ill. And this is coming from someone who regularly gets apoplectic at the hypocrisy of most “progressives” when it comes to feminism and women’s issues. (And I’m looking up that Just Shirts company, so maybe I don’t have to grit my teeth over my “choices” anymore.)

  55. Shannon January 25, 2009 at 4:52 PM #

    Your link is pretty invalid with your argument. It’s from The Onion, which is basically a parody news site.
    I understand what you are getting at, but hating a company for using sex to sell and the fact their founder is a sleaze ball would mean you would be naked in an empty home. Every company has used sex to sell things at one point, subliminally or right in the open.
    I agree those ads are a bit extreme, but that’s all that gets people’s attention now a days. It gots your didn’t it?

  56. Nine Deuce January 25, 2009 at 5:38 PM #

    Shannon – I’m aware that the link was to The Onion, and that it’s a parody site. I thought it was funny.

    Just because a practice (like using women’s bodies to sell products) is hegemonic doesn’t mean I’m wrong to point out one of its most egregious forms.

    I know ads are here to get people’s attention, but I’m pretty sure Dov Charney doesn’t want the kind of attention I’m giving him. The more people become aware of his practices, the fewer customers he’ll have. You have to remember, his target market is the consumer with a conscience, so my pointing out his lack of a conscience might just cost him a few of those consumers. Maybe.

    In any case, are you really, as a woman, coming to argue with me and tell me pointing out overt misogyny is a bad thing?

  57. sara January 28, 2009 at 9:10 PM #

    FUCK AMERICAN APPAREL, even though I never spent any of my money there anyway cos I don’t want to look like a clown or a fucking moron in leggings. You best believe I’m going to spread the word.

    [Btw, NINE DEUCE YOU ARE A QUEEN. The way you write is so amazing, and you're so perceptive and intelligent!]

  58. Nine Deuce January 28, 2009 at 11:07 PM #

    Thanks, Sara!

  59. Talia February 2, 2009 at 6:41 PM #

    I agree with the grossness of the ads and the ill fitting nature of the clothes. I was unaware of the other awful behavior the owner was guilty of … more reason to never shop there.

    Second… also jewish and did not read any anti-semitism with the name remark even though I recognized Dov to be a hebrew name (yeah, Jen, it is particularly jewish. it’s the hebrew word for bear. heh). I think dwelling on that snippet is missing the forest for the trees. He’s a dork and wants to exact revenge on the pretty girls from his high school past by being a misogynistic control freak.

    good article.

  60. Talia February 2, 2009 at 6:46 PM #

    oops, should’ve scrolled more but point still remains about the whole that guy is a tool thing.

  61. Foldered February 10, 2009 at 4:03 AM #

    How can you agree with graffiti that says “no wonder women get raped”? Women should be able to wear whatever and be pictured in whatever pose without the threat of rape. Taking that stance makes it seem like you would agree with the “she asked for it when she wore that mini-skirt” date-rape justification phenomenon. Disgusting.

    • Nine Deuce February 10, 2009 at 4:07 AM #

      The guy who wrote the graffiti said he did it to point out the fact that American Apparel ads dehumanize women, which contributes to a culture in which women are so often sexually assaulted. He was placing part of the blame for that culture on American Apparel and companies like them that use women’s bodies as objects to sell products. I certainly agree that women should be able to wear whatever they want without the fear of being raped.

  62. Aileen Wuornos March 12, 2009 at 6:11 AM #

    Seeing shit like this makes me almost kind of glad to live in the most isolated city in the world. Because at least I know this shit isn’t going to end up here. Thank fuck we don’t have this OR starbucks

  63. Kate March 20, 2009 at 8:54 AM #

    …No Starbucks? Where can I find this piece of paradise?

    Anyway, I admit to having bought “hipsterish” clothing without any real regard for price or brand…I really hope I don’t have anything from American Apparel. Everything about it is revolting.

  64. D April 2, 2009 at 2:20 PM #

    Dov Charney makes my clit crawl up to my stomach. Just the thought of him. I’ll buy some of those clothes (they do tend toward the well made) but only second hand.

  65. Cat April 29, 2009 at 3:18 AM #

    Um… speaking of bias… I have an apple computer… I like it a lot, and it works with my university. I sort of like Radiohead, but not tons. It seems unfair to classify people with simple things like that. Then again, I’ve never even gone in American Apparel.

    Just… Oh man, those ads look like porn! I mean, the girls certainly are 18 or above (I’m around that age, I don’t look nearly as old as I should), though. Not sure how old the OP is, but sometimes once you get older…. everyone looks young. Those ads are disgusting. That one with the girl in the socks… ugh! How can they make these?

  66. Ysa June 17, 2009 at 8:08 AM #

    Brilliant blog, Nine Deuce. I found it a few days ago, and particularly liked the anti-pornography series.

    I didn’t know American Apparel was such a horrendous mess. This is absolutely sick, and I cannot condone that method of advertising or this Charney guy’s treatment of his.. employees? I need to show this to those of my friends that shop there.

  67. Jdu June 20, 2009 at 4:04 PM #

    The man is an asshole to everyone he has power over. He’s a grade A asshole–the kind that will walk into one of his own stores and berate the empoyees in front of customers. I saw him freak out (like, flip his shit) on a guy once ’cause the guy was helping me find a size instead of putting away new inventory. I never shopped in one of his stores again. I hate Dov Charney.

  68. syndicalist702 June 27, 2009 at 4:43 AM #

    Found this on stumbleupon…

    q: How many hipsters does it take to change a light bulb?

    a: It’s an obscure number. You’ve probably never heard of it.

  69. telecharger July 14, 2009 at 6:56 PM #

    thanks

    continue

  70. Polly Styrene July 14, 2009 at 9:55 PM #

    We’ve got American Apparel where I live now. And the clothes are tat. And expensive tat to boot.

  71. Imaginary September 28, 2009 at 11:52 PM #

    Perhaps it’s best to simply make our own clothes. It’s not that hard when you stop thinking in terms of “this goes on my chest, and this goes on my legs”. I like wearing shirts as pants if that helps anyone.

  72. Polly October 21, 2009 at 6:50 AM #

    I honestly cannot believe that they are actual advertising campaigns. We’ve started to have American Apparel crop up in the uk and I popped into one, intrigued about what they were. They seemed cheap, nasty, tacky and uninspired. Now I’ve seen their advertisements I’m even more non-plussed. Vile vile vile.

  73. Moynu October 25, 2009 at 12:23 AM #

    I don’t know how much of the article is true; while I hope it isn’t, I suspect it is. I am sure of one thing: the advertisements shown up there disgust me. So, I’ve just sent a lovely e-mail to them about it.

    Here’s hoping they respond! :)

  74. paddy January 16, 2010 at 3:50 AM #

    Thank-you for writing the americrap apparel piece. I think I’m in love with you!!

  75. Immir March 6, 2010 at 1:55 AM #

    That story about the captive models is insane.

    “Nine American Apparel security enforcers were also killed during the raid.”

    What the F?

  76. YY May 26, 2010 at 9:19 AM #

    Nice article ND!

    AA opened stores in China about two years ago – toned down their ads or they may get in trouble. I wonder how their business has done here.

    Out of curiosity, I took at a part-time position with them when they were preparing for store opening. All I can say after that experience is that they have some pretty funny way of selecting and firing staff. Look “pretty-ish” and shut up about what you don’t like seemed to be two essential requirements despite their claim of treating their staff respectfully and ethically. This puts them right in line with the unethical local employers. Localization is it?

    No offense to the models, but I find it hard to convince myself that a young woman posed in rather compromising positions, virtually naked, in AA ad would know much about opening business in China. And yes, that’s the kind of people they sent over here.

  77. polly August 27, 2010 at 12:47 PM #

    Oh! Noes!

    seems they’re going broke…

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/26/american-apparel-sex-ethics

  78. polly January 11, 2011 at 1:41 PM #

    New American Apparel ad campaign

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1346138/Has-American-Apparel-gone-far-creepy-controversial-new-campaign.html

    Now apparently that is ‘creepy’ because the model has underarm stubble. I’d say far more worrying is the fact that – although the copy says she’s 20, she looks much younger. I can’t believe that’s not deliberate.

  79. jane February 3, 2011 at 6:01 PM #

    I’m not acquainted with the majority of fashion outlets or their advertisers/marketer’s since I don’t consume much in clothing anymore. I did however work in the anti-sweatshop coalitions for some time, yet wanted to do a bit more than simply protest tee shirts/sports wear. And there were a few things that I often questioned, such as, the creation of a type of middle class buffer zone in developing countries, it just seemed to me that there was this sort of political agenda, not to get to the root of the industrial textile mess but rather to unionize, Which I was in support of, people need to work,

    but in working in textiles myself [sewing/needlework] I had some knowledge of the detailed history of labor/exploitation and land rape through textile industry. Something about the ‘new trend’ of beige consumption, just kept nagging at me but I didn’t know why,

    Until I came across some good info on some anti-consumption blogs from Australia and a few other places…first was the knowledge of the vast amounts of water wasted, growing cotton and the slavery In that. Second was the other side of the industry that is NOT even considered by many who work on the union side–what happens to those who work in the lowest paid of industries IF and when those industries go out, most of them children,

    sure enough, trafficking into sex slavery, fact…NOT that it’s ANY justification for supporting the textile consumption trade, it isn’t, but what it Did show me, that the SILENCE of this reality by many of those who Utilize the Misery of slave workers in textiles [most of whom are children in countries where women have little to no human rights] for a political agenda, spoke volumes,

    and I had to ask myself, Is the concern the worker’s conditions [and the communities in which they live and conditions that Drive the incentives/and make it possible for corporations to come in And exploit] OR was it simply, Just another means to an end?

    The more I researched, the silence screamed in my ears, not only that, but the more I researched the more I realized, that this exploitative slave industry of textiles [sister to the sex/arm trade] was just another part of the raping of Mother Earth, and that Until there is a replacement of those economies that are earth and female friendly, all the consumption ‘solutions’ are merely just switching fabric.

    IF the goal was to truly assist in the creation of slave free, earth friendly economies then that is what the means would be aimed at, it seems that in most of the areas where textiles [using slaves] is huge, that same land could be used for growing food, conserving/and finding ways of saving water [that is so direly needed in many of these areas], and elevating the status of women. And there IS a need for economies that are women/child friendly, but economies that do NOT strip from them, precious land and water resources, that result in them being dependent upon piece meal work [including the green kind] and upon consumption of food markets that are controlled by big brother while their land/water is polluted and pillaged beyond any ability to sustain Any life, much less their own,

    so I’m not surprised at these adds, the whole green/organic market, for Many [not all there are some good ones out there], seems to me to be More about reconciling consumption Guilt, while still perpetuating the same systems of patriarchy, sexism and class/race on the global pyramid. All the while, of course, throwing a rock of ‘salvation for the earth’ into a cesspool of black mire that is way beyond repair,

    while landfills just in This country, are full of garments, sales racks full of garments, I mean HOW many garments do we truly need? Then I saw this, doing just some browsing, on the largest ships in the world, and loe and behold, look at what the majority of those ships are carrying [while contributing to mass pollution] that effects water/land and animal life.

    so I did some research, I was shocked at the amount of pollution just from the cruise ships, bad enough, but the freight ships as well, and THAT is the level of our consumption, much of it Textiles, a.k.a. clothes,

    never mind that these same ships, when no longer used, are sent to India, to be dismantled [dangerous work] and the pollution from that alone, horrid,

    and this Does have a huge detrimental impact on Women and Children, in those developing nations.

    This got me to thinking, that so many of the anti-this and anti-that aren’t really anti anything, they are simply just the same ole sexist patriarchal capitalist industries Pacifying a Questioning public, the consumer, into buying into the lie that Now corporations have gone Green and Human Rights Friendly,

    and NOT that some of them haven’t, I do believe there are good coops and grass roots groups. But maybe we do need to look beyond just the sweatshop, and see the larger picture, simply replacing sweatshop with micro shops that use Porn and Child Porn to promote some false sense of Ethical Consumption–is just that,

    that Question I had, sure enough, if those industries are removed from many of those nations, those Very unions and Global Ethics [so they say] controllers, would do the same thing, Take those children and women and Exploit them sexually–

    Empowerment, for the millions of workers will not come from the Paternalist consumer who continues to insist on their right to rape/pillage land for the garments of prestige, no matter how much they attempt to sackcloth them down, oh no,

    empowerment comes, from giving Back the economies and land to the people, and respecting Fair Trade with those people, encouraging earth and woman and child friendly economies…and building them up, rather than

    more water for cotton, more fertilizer for fabric, leaving mass amounts of pollution, no land fit for food and numerous landfills, that those who are Not working in the sweatshops of fabric hell, are wading through [many of them children] or lining up the brothels of hell sex torture clubs, for the tourist, business man and vacationer, who bought

    numerous ‘anti-sweatshop’ clothes and organic sackcloth wear, to show just how ‘ethically’ conscious they are, before hanging out smoking mary jane and buying a ‘sex slave’ in one of the numerous cities of Europe or America, lining up the windows, protected by the Very same folks sad to say, who are so conscious of the worker’s revolution,

    so they say…..

    and it shows, in their advertising, the hypocrisy, is just unreal. But what is sadder, is just how many consumers are buying into this lie, this lie that I have to wonder,

    is it that they truly are against slavery or are they simply a mask, of a far worse sinister global feudalism? Maybe this is a form of Imperialist Leftism–just another capitalist face, that protects the industry of sex slavery, and being accomplished through so called ‘progressive’ worker right’s policies, using consumer guilt, as the means to an end…

    looking at these advertisements, it sure seems that way, they aren’t much different than the vast amounts of child porn/violent porn, on many of the radical leftist sites on political party forums [who spew equality for women as some twisted iron-y].

    Jane

    Jane

  80. HollywoodGal May 5, 2011 at 3:23 AM #

    ****Let me first say this: Nine* I love you, I love your site..finally, someone with similar thoughts that I hold about men! Ok, It’s only a matter of time before this Dov’ guy gets a rape charge! You just see it coming. I hope he gets an enormous amount of time when it happens and I hope it will be the ending of his shit stores! I’ve never shopped there and I will never ever shop there in my life because #1, his clothes definitely look Thrift-like and are boring and unattractive [to me] and # 2, because of this piece of crap Crud of a man owner..I will never set foot in one of them. I’ve never heard of this guy however, I’ve always hated these ads…the models always look Middle-School* and I don’t understand how he can continue with these ads. Can’t we do SOMETHING? I mean, how is this OK? And now knowing details about him, I hate him, as well. I hope he ends up screwing that really pretty European Pop star…who was found guilty of giving guys AIDS. THIS is who Mr. Freakazoid needs to meet! Fuck Him!

  81. LA Baby September 20, 2013 at 1:04 AM #

    I worked for this awful company, & let me just say, the man that runs things, the one that makes all the misogyny happen in this company, well, he sexually harassed every single female employee that he came in contact with, even if the encounter was only for a few brief seconds. At one point during the weekly conference call, he & his lackeys threatened that he was going to start firing people due to slow sales, & he would determine it partially in how we looked, so he wanted the store managers to photograph us to send to the decision makers at corporate & if we were too ugly/fat/unstylish, they were going to can us. The people who work in the stores make jack shit & the skilled laborers in the warehouse only make something like $13/hour. He does NOT take care of his employees, & anyone who says so is insane. We were given $300 per year in clothing allowance & it was never adjusted for inflation or their constantly inflating prices, BUT we had to be head-to-toe in AA every single day. Every so often, we got a freebie on top of our allowance, & it was always something extra-revealing when it was an article of women’s clothing, or something the company was just trying to get rid of. Dov is a pervert, he takes all the photos & it shows, but somehow, he’s like this glorified icon. I personally was terrified of the very thought of him & I am not an easily intimidated woman. I wouldn’t be surprised if he coerces some of these “models” into sleeping with him with the promise of making them stars in the fashion/modeling scene.

    I also had an incident in which I cleaned out a dressing room that a man had sprayed his semen all over, including the insides & outsides of several articles of women’s clothing. We watched the security tapes later & it was discovered by me & another employee that he had been laying on the ground, looking up into the dressing rooms of women. This is how he got his jackoff motivation, I guess. Because my hateful manager had poorly scheduled us, this all happened at a time that I was working alone & was unable to watch the dressing room area to prevent this from happening. But, in predictable AA style, the incident was blamed on me. Yes, I was considered at fault because a local sex offender came in & jacked off all over a dressing room, all without my knowledge & I had to touch it. It was implied by my manager that I would even be fired. I quit days later. Touching a pervert’s semen was too much for me & I had gotten to hate that place by this time. The semen offense was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

    Just discovered your blog a few days ago. Loving the porn series. Thanks for everything you do! :)

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