Comments on: A few responses to common objections to my position on porn

By: Nine Deuce

Nine Deuce — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:34:14 +0000

I am, among other things. I realize that last point in this post is vague as fuck. I get bored to death writing about stats, but I think I may just have to do a post soon on studies on the effects of porn.

By: Jen

Jen — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:40:59 +0000

Hey 9-2, are you talking about those studies done by Dolf Zillmann and Jennings Bryant? When I read about those, and thought about how much of a porn addict I used to be, I was scared shitless.

By: Nine Deuce

Nine Deuce — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:15:50 +0000

It wasn’t a cheap shot. I’ve yet to see convincing evidence that porn doesn’t cause sexual assaults to increase, and my last sentence holds. When men who watch porn see a diminished capacity for empathy with rape victims, there is a problem.

By: Aaron Boyden

Aaron Boyden — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:06:18 +0000

Cool, I like it better when you’re not apologizing for your hyperbole. I’m also glad that you are consistent enough to condemn capitalism generally (in some of your other posts), since the claim that all sex workers are coerced is only plausible if most workers generally are coerced (not that the latter claim is absurd, and I presume that’s in fact what you’d say). Of course, I continue to insist that your interpretation of the meaning of porn is implausible, but my main complaint is about your last point. It’s not only one study, and the studies weren’t by MRAs, and you know both of those things perfectly well. That one was a cheap shot.

By: Nine Deuce

Nine Deuce — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 06:43:21 +0000

Pretty much.

By: Jen

Jen — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:52:40 +0000

When dealing with the “OMG, but teh womenz choose to be in porn” crowd, I ask anyone if there ever was a time that they would really like being wrenched into uncomfortable positions, demeaned, objectified, and placed at a huge risk of abuse so someone else could toss off. If they say yes, then I figure they really like having acrobatic painful “sex” while everyone watches, dick in hand, to their objectification. And if that objectification suddenly turns into rape, or you’re really poor and don’t have any other marketable skills, and everyone only hoots louder as you cry, that’s okay, because you’re a woman.

And women like that kind of stuff, right? If a man, or anyone, seriously suggests that they like their “asshole wrecked” I think we all have permission to think of them as totally ape-shit insane.

I mean, how fucking stupid do you have to be to believe that women who place themselves in a position with no legal recourse, have painful degrading sex on camera, which, if found, destroys any chance of them getting a non-porn job, and make little to no money like it?

The million dollar answer to that is that you have to be someone that thinks that human suffering is excellent wank fodder. And that makes you a sick sick person.

By: Maggie Hays

Maggie Hays — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 01:23:00 +0000

Excellent responses, Nine! :)

Porn apologists never understand why we are angry & why we fight against pornography, do they?

They are soooo reactionary!

the same scenario over and over: female humanity being subordinated to male desire. That may very well be one way to conceive of and “do” sex, but it’s certainly not the only, and definitely not the most desirable or interesting, way. But that’s all we see. So I would not say that porn is “pro-sex.” I’d say it’s anti-sex. It’s anti-sex in that it severely constricts the ways in which sexuality can be expressed.

Unless you define sex as a commodified exchange of power, sex doesn’t exist in porn.

Wow, that point was so right on, Nine!

Pornography is not sex; it is sexualized hierarchical violence. And it prevents healthy sexual imagination that doesn’t rely on male supremacy.

I’m glad to have my sex life 100% private and uncontrolled by this capitalist & patriarchal sexist media. I wouldn’t even want to have it influenced by so-called “art” (i.e. ‘feminist porn’, which is inherently an oxymoron).

The fact is, it is impossible for a woman who has been abused on a porn set to prove that she did not consent to what was done, and that means that women in porn have no recourse in the event that they are forced to perform acts they are not comfortable with.

So, so true, Nine. Lack of choice and experience of abuse, that’s all it is… So cruel…