Omg. God is from Twilight!!!

Which smug motherfucker gets to decide which cases validate a termination? Sounds a bit like playing God to me.

So we have some assumptions:

1. Men are more privileged than women.
2. Fetuses are more privileged than their mothers–you know, they’re innocent, whereas the women have sinned and so on.
3. A person’s genitalia determine that person’s sex (and the person has to have the same gender and be heterosexual, oh, how the idiocy hurts me). You could say having XX or XY chromosomes is what makes the difference, but really, there must be more to it because we all know that the maleness of the XY-person depends on the size of the dick, and the the femaleness of the XX on the ratio of tits and ass to waist. Right?

Number 3 leads to:
4. A person is not a complete person without genitalia that are visibly male or female. Because without that, how would we know that person’s prescribed role as a human being? God forbid.

Then there is fact 5: before the ninth week of pregnancy, the genitals of the fetus are ambiguous. Correct me if my source is wrong.

The punch line: a fetus is not a person before the ninth week, so abortions until then are A-Okay for anti-Americans! Not much of a concession (except that it allows birth control), but I hope the reasons I gave make you laugh.

By the way, it’s worse than rocks and dirt; people who want to preserve all life at the cellular level have to prevent their own skin cells from falling off, and their stomach lining from its rapid cycle of divide-and-die, and so on.

On to supposed “innocents”, do people really think that it’s okay to bring them up in a home where given the choice, the mother would have killed them? And I think that I would kill myself if I had to have a kid. I hate kids. They hate me. Is that the kind of environment you’d want these kids to grow up in? Listening to my crappy poetry and bitching and hating themselves until they one day lose it and just shoot themselves in the head? No. It’s kinder this way to allow people like me to not have children. Goddess bless America, or wherever else these people are from.

When 95% of women who undergo childbirth experience (often unnecessary medical intervention, when up to 35% of women are being coerced into surgery to remove a full-term fetus from her uterus (otherwise known as caesarean section), when approximately 50% of women in the more ‘civilised’ countries in the world walk out of hospital with some sort of mental illness (ie Post Traumatic Stress Disorder or Post Natal Depression, even Post Partum Psychosis), when women are consigned to being babymakers at the expense of everything else that they are, desire, think, and would pursue – The answer to your question is – a damned LOT.

Pregnancy and childbirth ARE natural – but not when you place it in the domain of misoginyst (otherwise known as obstetricians) who view pregnant women as a comodity, and the pathologising of what is normal and natural as a gravy boat to big money. Its all too easy to manipulate pregnant and birthing women – not only is it a time of huge vulnerability emotionally and physically, but given that most women actually do have some strong attachment to the fetus growing inside them and want the best outcome – doctors all too often play the ‘dead baby’ card in order to coerce submission.

Pregnancy has the potential to absolutely, irrevocably fuck a woman’s life forever – and it happens a lot more often than we’re willing to admit. No woman should go into pregnancy unwillingly. No woman should go into labour uneducated, nor submissive, nor unsupported.

I have to say, Nine Deuce and Joshua, while I do lean more towards the pro-life end of the argument, your arguments about ‘when is a fetus a person?’ are the first from a pro-choicer to actually make some damn sense to me. Usually people just say ‘when its born’ and leave it at that, which is not really adequate. Thank you for making me think.

Yes, women deserve the right to decide what they do with their bodies. No, women are not walking babymakers. kthnxbye

Good post ND.

I grow very weary of the “when does life begin argument.” Personally, I do think a fetus is alive. Yes, I think you’re killing a living thing. I also think that if a human being miniaturized himself/herself to the size of a fetus and attached himself/herself to your bloodstream because it’s the only way he/she can survive, you’d be in your rights to kill him/her. No one has the right to use your body without your consent, and given that sex is used by humans for bonding, pleasure and love and that the vast, vast majority of sex acts do not result in a child, no, simply having sex is not tacit consent to making a baby. Consenting to making a baby is consenting to making a baby, nothing else, and if a fetus is growing in you and you didn’t consent to have it there, yes, you have the right to protect yourself by removing it. If the only way to do that is to kill it, c’est la vie. We would be outraged (and in fact so would most anti-choicers) if we were told you cannot kill a person to save yourself from rape, or you cannot kill a person to save yourself from being beaten senseless by them, or you cannot kill a person to keep them from injecting you with a disease that could destroy your immune system, cause you great pain, and eventually hasten your death. We believe in killing when it is the only way to save yourself from imminent harm inflicted by another person, even if that person is innocent (say, a man with a mental age of 3 but the body of a grown adult is trying to rape you) To argue that you do not have the right to save yourself from the harm that a fetus can cause your body, as long as said fetus won’t kill you, is to argue that you can’t protect yourself from rape with lethal force even if that’s the only way, and it’s better to let yourself be raped than to take the rapist’s life.