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		<title>By: easttom84</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/04/16/porn-part-4-half-of-the-big-picture/#comment-20491</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[easttom84]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 23:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nine Deuce

I&#039;m a dude and I agree with every word you&#039;ve written in this post (I also took a shot every time you said madonna/whore complex and I think I have alcohol poisoning).

Seriously though, you&#039;re right, and all men know deep down that porn is degrading to women, but they push it out of their minds in the same way that a person constantly eating junk food tries not to think about heart disease.

I&#039;ve been trying to quit porn for a long time now, and it&#039;s very difficult, so knowing is only half the battle, really.

good stuff, now I gotta go read the rest]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nine Deuce</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a dude and I agree with every word you&#8217;ve written in this post (I also took a shot every time you said madonna/whore complex and I think I have alcohol poisoning).</p>
<p>Seriously though, you&#8217;re right, and all men know deep down that porn is degrading to women, but they push it out of their minds in the same way that a person constantly eating junk food tries not to think about heart disease.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to quit porn for a long time now, and it&#8217;s very difficult, so knowing is only half the battle, really.</p>
<p>good stuff, now I gotta go read the rest</p>
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		<title>By: Raina</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/04/16/porn-part-4-half-of-the-big-picture/#comment-19587</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 13:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I actually meant to post my comment on Part 6, which I have in the tab next to Part 4. Sorry!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually meant to post my comment on Part 6, which I have in the tab next to Part 4. Sorry!</p>
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		<title>By: Raina</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/04/16/porn-part-4-half-of-the-big-picture/#comment-19586</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 13:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you. I know this is an old article, but I&#039;ve been reading through your writings and feeling comforted by them. Safety in numbers and whatnot. And indeed, they enhance my own understanding of the issues, because you write clearly, eloquently, and logically.

Culturally we are, in essence, groomed to become porn stars in the bedroom and the Virgin Mary outside of it. How our ideas of sexuality as we grow up can be and often are warped by the flawed and misogynistic way women&#039;s sexuality is presented in the media. We are expected to behave in self-degrading ways, to orgasm on command to satisfy the ego of our partners, and to pander to and protect the precious ideals of men who think porn is an accurate representation of what women want and enjoy. I have been with men who really think I&#039;m going to derive gratification from being sexually and emotionally degraded as long as they do. And it&#039;s sickening to be confronted with that, and to realise it&#039;s widespread: the degradation of women is acceptable as long as you can ignore it long enough to get off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. I know this is an old article, but I&#8217;ve been reading through your writings and feeling comforted by them. Safety in numbers and whatnot. And indeed, they enhance my own understanding of the issues, because you write clearly, eloquently, and logically.</p>
<p>Culturally we are, in essence, groomed to become porn stars in the bedroom and the Virgin Mary outside of it. How our ideas of sexuality as we grow up can be and often are warped by the flawed and misogynistic way women&#8217;s sexuality is presented in the media. We are expected to behave in self-degrading ways, to orgasm on command to satisfy the ego of our partners, and to pander to and protect the precious ideals of men who think porn is an accurate representation of what women want and enjoy. I have been with men who really think I&#8217;m going to derive gratification from being sexually and emotionally degraded as long as they do. And it&#8217;s sickening to be confronted with that, and to realise it&#8217;s widespread: the degradation of women is acceptable as long as you can ignore it long enough to get off.</p>
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		<title>By: lizor</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/04/16/porn-part-4-half-of-the-big-picture/#comment-19481</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lizor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 12:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sugarpuss, your take on men and sex is bang on the money, if you&#039;ll pardon the terminology. And Hecate, I agree totally re: Alternet. I have spent more time there challenging articles than I have reading stuff I&#039;d like to share.

The author identifies herself as one of the prostitutes she is &quot;defending&quot; against those &quot;outsiders&quot; who have no experience with the sex trade. I looked her up and it seems she ran a webcam for a short time. I would imagine this was less about the sort of &quot;employment freedom of choice&quot; we keep hearing about and more a means to give herself some cred as a writer and ultimately to feed narcissistic impulses. 

I really should not be thinking about this crap before breakfast. It&#039;s hard on the digestion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sugarpuss, your take on men and sex is bang on the money, if you&#8217;ll pardon the terminology. And Hecate, I agree totally re: Alternet. I have spent more time there challenging articles than I have reading stuff I&#8217;d like to share.</p>
<p>The author identifies herself as one of the prostitutes she is &#8220;defending&#8221; against those &#8220;outsiders&#8221; who have no experience with the sex trade. I looked her up and it seems she ran a webcam for a short time. I would imagine this was less about the sort of &#8220;employment freedom of choice&#8221; we keep hearing about and more a means to give herself some cred as a writer and ultimately to feed narcissistic impulses. </p>
<p>I really should not be thinking about this crap before breakfast. It&#8217;s hard on the digestion.</p>
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		<title>By: Hecate</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/04/16/porn-part-4-half-of-the-big-picture/#comment-19479</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hecate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly right, Sugarpuss and lizor. That site is beyond frustrating, because though they do post some good anti-corporate articles, they are willfully ignorant as to how the whole system not only ties in with oppression of women, but is more than likely based on it. Ah, ignorant bliss. It could be a much stronger site for the voices of women and minorities to finally be heard, but has failed miserably in my opinion. 

Well, we&#039;ve got this blog and each other for our sanity, thank goodness :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly right, Sugarpuss and lizor. That site is beyond frustrating, because though they do post some good anti-corporate articles, they are willfully ignorant as to how the whole system not only ties in with oppression of women, but is more than likely based on it. Ah, ignorant bliss. It could be a much stronger site for the voices of women and minorities to finally be heard, but has failed miserably in my opinion. </p>
<p>Well, we&#8217;ve got this blog and each other for our sanity, thank goodness :)</p>
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		<title>By: lizor</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/04/16/porn-part-4-half-of-the-big-picture/#comment-19476</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lizor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A commenter on that thread posted this link to an excellent article by MacKinnon:

http://harvardcrcl.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/MacKinnon.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A commenter on that thread posted this link to an excellent article by MacKinnon:</p>
<p><a href="http://harvardcrcl.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/MacKinnon.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://harvardcrcl.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/MacKinnon.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: lizor</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/04/16/porn-part-4-half-of-the-big-picture/#comment-19475</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lizor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; Sex workers know that what creates demand for the sex trade is not men &quot;enslaving&quot; us for sex, but the exigencies of survival.&quot;

So the exigencies of survival have no relation to enslavement? And you&#039;ll hear this argument from people who will, in the next breath, trot out the &quot;we are all prostitutes under capitalism&quot; trope. It&#039;s maddening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Sex workers know that what creates demand for the sex trade is not men &#8220;enslaving&#8221; us for sex, but the exigencies of survival.&#8221;</p>
<p>So the exigencies of survival have no relation to enslavement? And you&#8217;ll hear this argument from people who will, in the next breath, trot out the &#8220;we are all prostitutes under capitalism&#8221; trope. It&#8217;s maddening.</p>
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		<title>By: Sugarpuss</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sugarpuss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 04:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Hecate: Some of the comments are worse than the actual article. LibDudes pretending to give a shit about women&#039;s &quot;choices&quot;, when it&#039;s so blatantly obvious that all they care about is their dicks (which should be cut off and shoved down their throats, btw).

Some foolish cockhead mentioned &quot;sex-hating feminists&quot;; that made me chuckle. Men are the ones who hate sex, as they have slowly turned it into something dirty &amp; degrading. In fact, I am convinced that few men have ever even engaged in legitimate sexual contact; using a woman&#039;s body as a masturbation device is &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; real sex. The typical male approaches &lt;i&gt;the act&lt;/i&gt; with all the passion &amp; enthusiasm of a mid-day restroom visit. Dump &amp; flush. Women are the toilets of men... especially prostituted women.

I don&#039;t really have an opinion on Kutcher, one way or the other. It seems that he has drawn the ire of the sex-poz DudeBro club, so that&#039;s always a good thing. Hope he&#039;s servicing Demi well. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hecate: Some of the comments are worse than the actual article. LibDudes pretending to give a shit about women&#8217;s &#8220;choices&#8221;, when it&#8217;s so blatantly obvious that all they care about is their dicks (which should be cut off and shoved down their throats, btw).</p>
<p>Some foolish cockhead mentioned &#8220;sex-hating feminists&#8221;; that made me chuckle. Men are the ones who hate sex, as they have slowly turned it into something dirty &amp; degrading. In fact, I am convinced that few men have ever even engaged in legitimate sexual contact; using a woman&#8217;s body as a masturbation device is <b>not</b> real sex. The typical male approaches <i>the act</i> with all the passion &amp; enthusiasm of a mid-day restroom visit. Dump &amp; flush. Women are the toilets of men&#8230; especially prostituted women.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really have an opinion on Kutcher, one way or the other. It seems that he has drawn the ire of the sex-poz DudeBro club, so that&#8217;s always a good thing. Hope he&#8217;s servicing Demi well. :D</p>
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		<title>By: Hecate</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/04/16/porn-part-4-half-of-the-big-picture/#comment-19471</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hecate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another clueless article re: prostitution from Alternet:

http://www.alternet.org/story/152523/what%27s_wrong_with_ashton_kutcher%27s_campaign_against_sex_work_plenty._/#disqus_thread

Can you gals spot all the effed-up assumptions in this piece? The only thing I can agree on here is that Ashton is an idiot. Other than that, the author is an epic fail concerning the real battle women have always faced, which is unequal pay in regular work, which then makes the slide into selling the only thing they own that much easier. Why do all arguments regarding prostitution insist on this argument of &#039;choice?!&#039; I still agree with radical feminists, that men have an interest in keeping women out of the corner office, so there will always be a pool of sex slaves available to service them. That&#039;s the elephant in the room that no one ever discusses, and it puts me at great odds with Liberals. I love ND&#039;s post on Bill Maher in that regard...

One thing you can always count on - unless there are feminists in the room, there will always be a bunch of miserable cowards on hand to justify the subjugation of the prostituted woman.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another clueless article re: prostitution from Alternet:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/152523/what%27s_wrong_with_ashton_kutcher%27s_campaign_against_sex_work_plenty._/#disqus_thread" rel="nofollow">http://www.alternet.org/story/152523/what%27s_wrong_with_ashton_kutcher%27s_campaign_against_sex_work_plenty._/#disqus_thread</a></p>
<p>Can you gals spot all the effed-up assumptions in this piece? The only thing I can agree on here is that Ashton is an idiot. Other than that, the author is an epic fail concerning the real battle women have always faced, which is unequal pay in regular work, which then makes the slide into selling the only thing they own that much easier. Why do all arguments regarding prostitution insist on this argument of &#8216;choice?!&#8217; I still agree with radical feminists, that men have an interest in keeping women out of the corner office, so there will always be a pool of sex slaves available to service them. That&#8217;s the elephant in the room that no one ever discusses, and it puts me at great odds with Liberals. I love ND&#8217;s post on Bill Maher in that regard&#8230;</p>
<p>One thing you can always count on &#8211; unless there are feminists in the room, there will always be a bunch of miserable cowards on hand to justify the subjugation of the prostituted woman.</p>
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		<title>By: jane</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 02:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Nine Deuce, for your brilliant writing. I am really impressed with this post and have sent it to my young adult sons hoping to enlighten them, and hopefully ruin porn for them (if they use it).
You&#039;re the bomb!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Nine Deuce, for your brilliant writing. I am really impressed with this post and have sent it to my young adult sons hoping to enlighten them, and hopefully ruin porn for them (if they use it).<br />
You&#8217;re the bomb!</p>
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