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		<title>By: Mea</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/04/12/why-porn-isnt-cool-3-real-people-have-feelings/#comment-20032</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, thank you so much. This is exactly how I feel about porn but I have never been able to articulate it.
A few years ago my dad told my family that he had been addicted to pornography since he was 16. He readily admitted that his porn use led to him have affairs with other women. Like 26 other women. He also admitted to being a desensitized asshole (we already knew that part).  This has been utterly devastating for my mother and for all of us. He has been in therapy for a while now, and we all continue to hate/love him.
When people tell me that porn is okay and &quot;healthy&quot; I want to punch them in the face. Then I want to call my mom and have her come over so she can kick them in the balls. But now I can yell at them because now I know what to say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, thank you so much. This is exactly how I feel about porn but I have never been able to articulate it.<br />
A few years ago my dad told my family that he had been addicted to pornography since he was 16. He readily admitted that his porn use led to him have affairs with other women. Like 26 other women. He also admitted to being a desensitized asshole (we already knew that part).  This has been utterly devastating for my mother and for all of us. He has been in therapy for a while now, and we all continue to hate/love him.<br />
When people tell me that porn is okay and &#8220;healthy&#8221; I want to punch them in the face. Then I want to call my mom and have her come over so she can kick them in the balls. But now I can yell at them because now I know what to say.</p>
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		<title>By: i'm 19.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[i'm 19.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 04:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hi there,

i&#039;m 19, female, &amp; in my 2nd year of uni. I stumbled upon this series of posts you put up. just wanted to say you&#039;ve really made me think about some of the things i took for granted in society. thanks so much for opening my eyes to feminism without the negative connotations of man-hating, hairy women. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi there,</p>
<p>i&#8217;m 19, female, &amp; in my 2nd year of uni. I stumbled upon this series of posts you put up. just wanted to say you&#8217;ve really made me think about some of the things i took for granted in society. thanks so much for opening my eyes to feminism without the negative connotations of man-hating, hairy women. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicole]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 21:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for these posts Nine Duece. This really struck home with me and my struggle with this issue. I&#039;d like to share some of my story and hope it helps some of you men understand what this can do to the woman you may love. My first experience was when I was probably around 5, I had discovered porn in my mom&#039;s friends garage. That warped me on how men view and expect women to look even then. I became obsessed with how I should look even at that tender age. Skip a few years down the road, I think I was 10. I was living with my grandmother and her husband. I found the stash of Playboys under the bathroom sink we all shared. This Step Grandpa that was supposedly into real adult women then went on to molest me and my 2 sisters. They were 7 and 3. I really had no idea he was abusing my sisters too until my grandmother cought him red-handed with my 3 yr old sister in bed when she came home from work early. And she had even been warned because he had been arrested for molesting his almost adult daughter, but got off because no one believed her. He admitted to molesting me and my youngest sister, no one realized the 7 yr old had been abused until she started cutting herself when she was around 10 and was talking to the psychiatrist. Let&#039;s skip to when I was 19. First serious relationship and we were in love. I know he didn&#039;t watch or look at porn for the first year of the relationship. We got pregnant and about 3 months into the pregnancy I was putting clothes away and found the stash he had hid. I felt completely betrayed, we had made a commitment to each other. To me that is physical and mental. I told him I couldn&#039;t handle it. And I admit I overracted screaming at him. I thought I made my point. He said he&#039;d throw it away. I found it again a few weeks later back in the house. He got it out of the garbage. I felt ugly, fat (especially because my baby bump was quite noticable) and those women sure didn&#039;t look like me. I felt he really just wasn&#039;t attracted to me anymore. He also &quot;accidently&quot; stuck you know what up my A**. and it was very rough. I cried the whole time it hurt so bad. HE NEVER EVEN NOTICED! Come to think of it, around then he started telling me I wanted to much sex. Now I know why, he had already gotten off. So my needs weren&#039;t even getting met. I spent every night for a month crying myself to sleep. When he tried to comfort me I couldn&#039;t stand him to touch me because I felt like I just wasn&#039;t enough and he disgusted me.  He ended up breaking down crying and admitting that he started looking at the porn because since I got pregnant he got curious and wasn&#039;t sure I was the one. I lost the baby shortly after and no one, no one can tell me that finding out about the porn and the stress it caused me didn&#039;t make me lose our child. You guys think about that. I became quite dysfunctional after that and battled cocain, meth addiction and alcoholism for about 7 yrs after that, never having a real relationship. I&#039;m quite beautiful and smart and get hit on practically 24/7 if I&#039;m out and about, but every time I would start to date a guy I liked and he started to get attached I would run because I didn&#039;t want it to happen again. I have 3 kids now with 3 different guys because I have refused to be in a relationship, even with guys I knew without a doubt loved me. I&#039;ve been proposed to at least 7 times. My last child&#039;s father and I have been dating over 2 yrs and are now about 10 weeks pregnant again and were considering marraige and moving in together, but since he changed it to porn this last weekend and then expecting me to touch him I don&#039;t want anything to do with him. It&#039;s made me rethink about everytime we had sex if it was me on his mind or what he just saw on tv. I know he tries to refrain from it because he knows he&#039;s gonna get horny and he prefers the real thing, but now I can already tell he&#039;s starting to get bored of me and needs more variety than what I can alone give. I guess I&#039;ll never understand because I don&#039;t sexualize any guy but him, not even Brad Pitt, I can&#039;t get off without thinking about only him, and I&#039;ve tried, he is just all I want. All his dreams about having the perfect family just went up in smoke because I know without a doubt my trust in him is forever broken.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for these posts Nine Duece. This really struck home with me and my struggle with this issue. I&#8217;d like to share some of my story and hope it helps some of you men understand what this can do to the woman you may love. My first experience was when I was probably around 5, I had discovered porn in my mom&#8217;s friends garage. That warped me on how men view and expect women to look even then. I became obsessed with how I should look even at that tender age. Skip a few years down the road, I think I was 10. I was living with my grandmother and her husband. I found the stash of Playboys under the bathroom sink we all shared. This Step Grandpa that was supposedly into real adult women then went on to molest me and my 2 sisters. They were 7 and 3. I really had no idea he was abusing my sisters too until my grandmother cought him red-handed with my 3 yr old sister in bed when she came home from work early. And she had even been warned because he had been arrested for molesting his almost adult daughter, but got off because no one believed her. He admitted to molesting me and my youngest sister, no one realized the 7 yr old had been abused until she started cutting herself when she was around 10 and was talking to the psychiatrist. Let&#8217;s skip to when I was 19. First serious relationship and we were in love. I know he didn&#8217;t watch or look at porn for the first year of the relationship. We got pregnant and about 3 months into the pregnancy I was putting clothes away and found the stash he had hid. I felt completely betrayed, we had made a commitment to each other. To me that is physical and mental. I told him I couldn&#8217;t handle it. And I admit I overracted screaming at him. I thought I made my point. He said he&#8217;d throw it away. I found it again a few weeks later back in the house. He got it out of the garbage. I felt ugly, fat (especially because my baby bump was quite noticable) and those women sure didn&#8217;t look like me. I felt he really just wasn&#8217;t attracted to me anymore. He also &#8220;accidently&#8221; stuck you know what up my A**. and it was very rough. I cried the whole time it hurt so bad. HE NEVER EVEN NOTICED! Come to think of it, around then he started telling me I wanted to much sex. Now I know why, he had already gotten off. So my needs weren&#8217;t even getting met. I spent every night for a month crying myself to sleep. When he tried to comfort me I couldn&#8217;t stand him to touch me because I felt like I just wasn&#8217;t enough and he disgusted me.  He ended up breaking down crying and admitting that he started looking at the porn because since I got pregnant he got curious and wasn&#8217;t sure I was the one. I lost the baby shortly after and no one, no one can tell me that finding out about the porn and the stress it caused me didn&#8217;t make me lose our child. You guys think about that. I became quite dysfunctional after that and battled cocain, meth addiction and alcoholism for about 7 yrs after that, never having a real relationship. I&#8217;m quite beautiful and smart and get hit on practically 24/7 if I&#8217;m out and about, but every time I would start to date a guy I liked and he started to get attached I would run because I didn&#8217;t want it to happen again. I have 3 kids now with 3 different guys because I have refused to be in a relationship, even with guys I knew without a doubt loved me. I&#8217;ve been proposed to at least 7 times. My last child&#8217;s father and I have been dating over 2 yrs and are now about 10 weeks pregnant again and were considering marraige and moving in together, but since he changed it to porn this last weekend and then expecting me to touch him I don&#8217;t want anything to do with him. It&#8217;s made me rethink about everytime we had sex if it was me on his mind or what he just saw on tv. I know he tries to refrain from it because he knows he&#8217;s gonna get horny and he prefers the real thing, but now I can already tell he&#8217;s starting to get bored of me and needs more variety than what I can alone give. I guess I&#8217;ll never understand because I don&#8217;t sexualize any guy but him, not even Brad Pitt, I can&#8217;t get off without thinking about only him, and I&#8217;ve tried, he is just all I want. All his dreams about having the perfect family just went up in smoke because I know without a doubt my trust in him is forever broken.</p>
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		<title>By: Rage Against the Manchine&#8217;s Series on Pornography &#171; AntiPorn101</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cas</title>
		<link>http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/04/12/why-porn-isnt-cool-3-real-people-have-feelings/#comment-17469</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awesome series, and some great stuff to link people to - thank you.

Without meaning to take away from the really strong series of posts, I did notice some disablist language in your post (I&#039;m in the UK - I think in the US it would be called &quot;ableist&quot;).

Using words like &quot;lame&quot; and &quot;dumb&quot; to denigrate something is the equivalent for some disabled people of the way in which using &quot;gay&quot; as a slur resonates badly for some parts of the LGBT community.

Could you not do that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome series, and some great stuff to link people to &#8211; thank you.</p>
<p>Without meaning to take away from the really strong series of posts, I did notice some disablist language in your post (I&#8217;m in the UK &#8211; I think in the US it would be called &#8220;ableist&#8221;).</p>
<p>Using words like &#8220;lame&#8221; and &#8220;dumb&#8221; to denigrate something is the equivalent for some disabled people of the way in which using &#8220;gay&#8221; as a slur resonates badly for some parts of the LGBT community.</p>
<p>Could you not do that?</p>
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		<title>By: lizor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lizor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, isme - the normalizing of pornography use among young people is so perplexing. I cannot for the life of me relate to the mindset and I have been trying - really. I generally find that trying to see things from an opponent&#039;s perspective saves a lot of time lost to inane misunderstanding, but the appeal of mainstream porn to young women baffles and scares me.

On a related note, there is an excellent essay by Susan Faludi in the October issue of Harpers on the disconnect between 2nd and 3rd wave feminists - and how the &quot;3rd wave&quot; may just kill the movement altogether.

I would post a link, but it&#039;s subscriber-only. I&#039;d post the text, but it&#039;s too long, I think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, isme &#8211; the normalizing of pornography use among young people is so perplexing. I cannot for the life of me relate to the mindset and I have been trying &#8211; really. I generally find that trying to see things from an opponent&#8217;s perspective saves a lot of time lost to inane misunderstanding, but the appeal of mainstream porn to young women baffles and scares me.</p>
<p>On a related note, there is an excellent essay by Susan Faludi in the October issue of Harpers on the disconnect between 2nd and 3rd wave feminists &#8211; and how the &#8220;3rd wave&#8221; may just kill the movement altogether.</p>
<p>I would post a link, but it&#8217;s subscriber-only. I&#8217;d post the text, but it&#8217;s too long, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: isme</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[isme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That sounds reasonable, but it doesn&#039;t explain the extent of porn use amongst younger people who&#039;ve not had their &quot;rights&quot; eroded.  

I&#039;d imagine that even if women hadn&#039;t gained more rights, the desire to put them back in their place would still be about as strong.  Pointless cruelty never quite goes out of fashion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds reasonable, but it doesn&#8217;t explain the extent of porn use amongst younger people who&#8217;ve not had their &#8220;rights&#8221; eroded.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d imagine that even if women hadn&#8217;t gained more rights, the desire to put them back in their place would still be about as strong.  Pointless cruelty never quite goes out of fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: elkballet</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[elkballet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Annon, not only do I agree, many porn users agree. Though they claim it&#039;s the sexual power that women have been abusing over them (yeah we&#039;re so sexually powerful that we are the main targets of sexual violence and our sexuality is seen as obscene in movies) I believe the trend towards more violent porn is due to the fact that men feel their priviledge is being taken away from them by women who are now starting to be seen as equals. Some men refer to porn use as getting back at those uppity bitches.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annon, not only do I agree, many porn users agree. Though they claim it&#8217;s the sexual power that women have been abusing over them (yeah we&#8217;re so sexually powerful that we are the main targets of sexual violence and our sexuality is seen as obscene in movies) I believe the trend towards more violent porn is due to the fact that men feel their priviledge is being taken away from them by women who are now starting to be seen as equals. Some men refer to porn use as getting back at those uppity bitches.</p>
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		<title>By: annon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[annon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 02:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it could be viewed that the degradation of women in porn recently is a reaction to female empowerment. This greatly excites &#039;men&#039; who fell disenfranchised by the new world of powerful women. These men are typically &#039;losers&#039; and are not successful in the art of attracting ladies. By seeing women being broken-down (&quot;humbled&quot;) by men is the sexualized visual representation of  their fantasy world


ps. i must apologize for my poor written skills in advance ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it could be viewed that the degradation of women in porn recently is a reaction to female empowerment. This greatly excites &#8216;men&#8217; who fell disenfranchised by the new world of powerful women. These men are typically &#8216;losers&#8217; and are not successful in the art of attracting ladies. By seeing women being broken-down (&#8220;humbled&#8221;) by men is the sexualized visual representation of  their fantasy world</p>
<p>ps. i must apologize for my poor written skills in advance ;)</p>
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		<title>By: lizor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lizor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a great interview with Susan Griffin from around 1981 after her book Pornography and Silence was published.

http://bailiwick.lib.uiowa.edu/wstudies/griffin.html

There&#039;s plenty of strong points made here but what really struck me was her final point about silencing. 

Here, I&#039;ll paste it:

&quot;Our silence. The silence and the silencing of women. The creation of authority in the image of the male. Of god in the image of the male. Rape. The burning of witches. Wife-beating. Laws against women speaking in public places. Against women preaching. The imprisonment of suffragists. Force-feeding. Harassment on the public streets. Scorn for the women who dares to act like man. A woman&#039;s love for another woman, unspoken, hidden. Our invisibility in history. The manuscripts of Sappho burned, the writing of women never published, lives of genius spent obscurely, or in domestic labor and child-rearing; the life of the mother, of the housekeeper, unimagined and unrecognized. Woman&#039;s word pronounced full of gile. A woman&#039;s testimony held suspect in court.

These several centuries of the silencing of women are a palpable presence in our lives -- the silence we have inherited has become part of us. It covers the space in which we live; it is a blank screen, and onto this screen a fantasy which does not belong to women is projected; the silence of women is the very surface on which pornography is played. We become other than ourselves.

And the story does not end with this forced silencing. Just as silence leave off, the lie begins. This lie is not only the lie the pornographer tells, but the lie a woman begins to believe about herself, or even if she does not believe it, the lie a woman tries to mimic. For since all the structures of power in her life, and all the voices of authority -- the church, the state, society, most likely even her own mother and father -- reflect pornography&#039;s fantasy, if she feels in herself a being who contradicts this fantasy, she begins to believe she herself is wrong. Wordlessly, even as a small girl, she begins to try to mold herself to fit society&#039;s image of what a woman ought to be. And that part of her which contradicts this pornographic image of womanhood is cast back into silence.&quot;





With porn becoming so much more ubiquitous (not to mention more hate-filled and violent) since this publication and interview, it&#039;s very difficult for me to accept how silent women are on the subject, how little push back there is. Have we taken our dose of Soma and we&#039;re in some daze of putting up and shutting up? What Griffin said three decades ago is eerily prophetic.

This blog is one of the few places where I can find intelligent and thoughtful critique that is current, so thanks again ND for having a strong uncompromising/uncompromised voice and for providing us this space to speak.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a great interview with Susan Griffin from around 1981 after her book Pornography and Silence was published.</p>
<p><a href="http://bailiwick.lib.uiowa.edu/wstudies/griffin.html" rel="nofollow">http://bailiwick.lib.uiowa.edu/wstudies/griffin.html</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s plenty of strong points made here but what really struck me was her final point about silencing. </p>
<p>Here, I&#8217;ll paste it:</p>
<p>&#8220;Our silence. The silence and the silencing of women. The creation of authority in the image of the male. Of god in the image of the male. Rape. The burning of witches. Wife-beating. Laws against women speaking in public places. Against women preaching. The imprisonment of suffragists. Force-feeding. Harassment on the public streets. Scorn for the women who dares to act like man. A woman&#8217;s love for another woman, unspoken, hidden. Our invisibility in history. The manuscripts of Sappho burned, the writing of women never published, lives of genius spent obscurely, or in domestic labor and child-rearing; the life of the mother, of the housekeeper, unimagined and unrecognized. Woman&#8217;s word pronounced full of gile. A woman&#8217;s testimony held suspect in court.</p>
<p>These several centuries of the silencing of women are a palpable presence in our lives &#8212; the silence we have inherited has become part of us. It covers the space in which we live; it is a blank screen, and onto this screen a fantasy which does not belong to women is projected; the silence of women is the very surface on which pornography is played. We become other than ourselves.</p>
<p>And the story does not end with this forced silencing. Just as silence leave off, the lie begins. This lie is not only the lie the pornographer tells, but the lie a woman begins to believe about herself, or even if she does not believe it, the lie a woman tries to mimic. For since all the structures of power in her life, and all the voices of authority &#8212; the church, the state, society, most likely even her own mother and father &#8212; reflect pornography&#8217;s fantasy, if she feels in herself a being who contradicts this fantasy, she begins to believe she herself is wrong. Wordlessly, even as a small girl, she begins to try to mold herself to fit society&#8217;s image of what a woman ought to be. And that part of her which contradicts this pornographic image of womanhood is cast back into silence.&#8221;</p>
<p>With porn becoming so much more ubiquitous (not to mention more hate-filled and violent) since this publication and interview, it&#8217;s very difficult for me to accept how silent women are on the subject, how little push back there is. Have we taken our dose of Soma and we&#8217;re in some daze of putting up and shutting up? What Griffin said three decades ago is eerily prophetic.</p>
<p>This blog is one of the few places where I can find intelligent and thoughtful critique that is current, so thanks again ND for having a strong uncompromising/uncompromised voice and for providing us this space to speak.</p>
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