Sooo… Satan (and any other man that may be lurking about), if women aren’t attracted to your scrawny arms, don’t behave like a bitter shrew. Females are hardwired to seek out the strongest male specimens. This is just nature at work, and it’s not always politically correct. Girls will be girls; deal with it and move on. We cant change who we are any more than you can prevent yourself from pulling down your pants and taking a crap in aisle six at Home Depot. We must all obey our primal instincts, regardless of the consequences. Just because our species has evolved, that doesn’t mean we should act like it. :P

I’m not even sure what he was talking about. I mean … I know all I really care about in a man is his bicep circumference. I’m sure every other radical feminist totally agrees. That’s what this whole ‘feminism’ thing is about: imposing artificial beauty standards (especially regarding the manly girth of upper arms) on men.

Satan said:

once we put the selective qualities of a good mate, or rather, invent them as being indicated by a man’s bicep circumference then we’ll end up in the same boat with women

Oh noooez! Well, we certainly can’t have men being subjected to any irrational beauty standards; that shit is for the womenfolk.

Notice how women’s issues are viewed as entirely unimportant, until they affect men too? Even breast cancer awareness isn’t really about women’s health; it’s about ensuring that the menz don’t lose their precious eye candy. Where is the concern for, say, Irritable Bowel Syndrome (much more common in women)? Oh wait, that’s not sexy. No brown ribbons for us (they’ll reserve those for the prostate enlargement/cancer awareness movement).

Thanks, skeptifem, for having the patience I don’t.

“Men are hairy so women have to be hairless.”

I had a prof tell the class something basically along these lines. He was trying to explain why certain things are considered sexy: to be sexy, you exaggerate what is typically seen as masculine or feminine.

I wish I had said, if that’s the case, why aren’t men expected to be a literal hairball if we can’t have ANY body hair…

That stupid prof…he was always spewing forth some lie.

Isn’t it a nifty coincidence that Satan mused that if he came here in the guise of a female, others on this thread would be more enthusiastic about being patronized by him?

I am an older woman now – 38 to be exact. And while that is not ancient, exactly, it seems like the first time in my life that a happy little spark of wisdom is starting to shine its light on me. I no longer have to conform to the standards of men who are afraid of me on the occasion I get a little sarcastic, or find myself in a fit of righteous rage. I don’t have to ‘pretend’ that clueless, lumbering men are entertaining to me any more either. Though goddess only knows why I ever did in the first place.

I take the initiative for a lot more in my life now than ever before, and I feel much better for it. And on top of that, I take responsibility for and own everything I feel. I take my anger and on some days, use it to make a much-needed change, and on others, I coddle it like it’s my very own baby. I feel more confident and self-possessed. There are no longer any apologies being sent to men on my behalf for anything I feel, desire or act upon. And that’s a good thing, because it’s not as though any children or animals were hurt in the process. Well, the odd male ego may have been. But the ego is nothing and those who act from it are also nothing. This is what clarity feels like, and I crave and value it every second of the day.

Per space, while the internet may not have the space of my room per se, when Satan came into this thread and basically demanded our attention with his lengthy responses and not really answering questions. Should he be treated with kid gloves simply because he might have learned something he could easily have learned before he ever came into this particular space? Again, no, he isn’t on the bus with me trying to hog space, or even in a physical room with me, but his baggage is taking up space. His words are taking up space and when I read them they take up space within me. So yes, I agree that Satan is taking up SPACE even if that SPACE seems nebulous.

Also, why should a man who starts by telling us how feminism is something he hates, who equates it right with sexism because women really do run the world (must apologize to Beyonce) and our anger isn’t healthy for us…so we should embrace him why exactly? I just don’t get why we always have to be nice. I am not sure nice gets you anywhere.